Petition to use article 50 immediately- do you agree?

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Should we invoke article 50 immediately & begin our 2 year Brexit negotiation?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

Yes, Leavers and Remainers should have thought of this. Everyone's been stitched up one way or another.

The Remainer voters did think of this. I expect DC etc thought that everyone would, it was bleeding obvious to anyone who gave it a moments sober thought.

Switzerland has been in negotiations with the EU since 2014 when they had a referendum to introduce quota systems for migrants. That would violate the trade agreements they already had with the EU. It doesn't look like there's going to be a resolution any time soon. Their application for EEA membership went to a referendum in 1992 (the NOs won by 0.6%) but they only formally removed their application in 2016. These kind of negotiations go on for YEARS and YEARS.

Sorry, what I meant was both the Leave Campaign and David Cameron as PM should not have allowed things to progress to a referendum with no plan for leaving in place. It's a complete disgrace.

Will there ever be a right time tho... Will we ever have all our ducks in a row. I look at it like this. We voted for it, we want it. DC said he'd do it immediately and he then quit. It's like booking a holiday for next summer when you're skint. You'll find the money in the next year. If you don't book it, you don't find the money. Somtines pressure is needed to get your arse in gear

This is like booking a non- refundable luxury cruise in 3 weeks time and expecting you'll win the lottery to pay the shortfall - to use the holiday analogy.

In terms of what needs to be negotiated consecutively with a lot of countries, if is about that tricky.

DC was talking out of his backside as he never expected the leave vote to win.

Motheroffourdragons just to be clear - I voted Remain and am deeply unhappy about the result of the referendum.
However, if we're going to leave the EU, we should make sure we as a country know what we want, and get the best deal possible.
For the many reasons stated on this thread, I think Article 50 should not invoked yet.

Only a total idiot would trigger Article 50 without knowing their negotiating position on the big issues. There are only 5 possible exit scenarios and 4 of them would damage the financial services industry, which contributes 12% to GDP (bigger than manufacturing by the way). The only exit scenario that works for our financial services industry is to move to the EEA Model like Norway. Unfortunately for many of the Leave voters, it means you keep the free movement of people. The other 4 exit scenarios involve knowing the UK's negotiating position on 40,000 bits of legislation. Not doable in 2 years. And the closer you get to the 2 years, the weaker the UK's position will be. That is one of the reasons why the EU are pressing us to trigger. It's a game of chess and definitely the time for cool heads.

Of course not. Are you fucking mad?

And yes, these negotiations go on for years and years. Which is why we need to get started. And stop blaming everyone else. Get on with it.

These don't. These have a guillotine at two years, at which point we have to take whatever's on offer or fuck off, unless all 27 member states agree to extend the negotiations. We are going to need every second of those two years to get the best possible deal, so we need to have our ducks in a row before we pull the trigger. (Mixed metaphor alert.)

The Cameron government does not have a mandate to set the negotiating strategy that will bind his successor, that must rightly wait for his replacement.

No, you're really not pragmatic, M4dragons. We need to have some idea of what we want to negotiate before we start negotiating. DC did the pragmatic thing by resigning and giving some breathing space.

Beats me, M4D. Some of them voted for 'sovereignty'. Some voted because they didn't like competing with foreigners for jobs or services or houses. Some voted because they wanted to be able to catch more fish. Some voted because they believed a lie on a bus. Some of them voted because they liked the idea of shafting bankers. Some of them may have voted from a real ideological conviction that the EU is a bad thing.

If we start negotiations now, what should we be negotiating for ? Gove thinks 'full fat' - well, contrary to what he thinks, brexit doesn't mandate that (nearly half of the voters didn't want to leave at all, and the leavers had all sorts of agendas, with the de facto leader of the Leavers being pro-immigration brexit-lite.)

It's clear there was no plan. But that's not the issue now. We need one. And going in gung ho without a player on a wing and a prayer, for what is the future of our country, would be just plain stupid. As someone else said, DC at least bought us some much needed breathing space.

And I do agree that "someone should have thought" about all this BEFORE the vote. But neither side has. So we need to pause

I thought about it. I know what "I" want and voted accordingly in the first step towards that.

Trouble is there are many variables so now it up to everyone who cares to explain to others what their preferred route forwards is and what their acceptable compromises to secure that preferred route is.

This period post referendum until article 50 is involved is the most important period EVER in the UK's economic history and it's vital we get the best deal possible with the EU.

Errol, I agree, with no one reason why people voted Leave it will be impossible to satisfy all 17 million people. I think the phrase poisoned chalice was coined for these circumstances.

It's going to be very hard to stitch up the left and right wings of Leave and Remain within the traditional party set up. I've never voted Tory, but voted remain. Some of those who voted Leave, did so for idealogical grounds and would never vote UKIP in a zillion years. There are probably many of the Corybynistas who are remainers even though he (I bet) voted leave. But having a Tory government with a new leader who has never faced a general election, is just wrong. But they do have to come up with the goods. Maybe what should happen is if they publish their exit strategy, there could be a referendum on that.