Petition to use article 50 immediately- do you agree?

[BritBrit]

Should we invoke article 50 immediately & begin our 2 year Brexit negotiation?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

Is this coming from a worry that it wont be invoked, or strung out with too many concessions made...

I would far rather wait, and invoke it when we are ready

I hope it's never invoked and we give our heads a wobble and think again!

This is a pretty good summary of why we must not invoke article 50.

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07/01/professor-c-graylings-letter-650-mps-urging-parliament-not-support-motion-trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/

I'm genuinely a little confused. I voted Remain and so naturally I would be delighted if Article 50 is not invoked.

But if you (collective) were a Leave voter, why wouldn't you just want to... Leave? I may have missed something, but I thought that Leave voters had expected Cameron to invoke Art 50 immediately on Friday (except for all those who had foreseen his resignation and consequent non-invocation). So if that had happened, we'd be in the 2 year period now with all that entails. Why the sudden lack of urgency to invoke Art 50 now?

We're now saying that we'll wait until we're ready - but what needs to be ready that wasn't ready on Friday? If it was consensus from all the populace, you weren't expecting that to have happened on Friday or any time in the next 40 years. If it was something organisational like trained negotiators, that could take years to arrange and wouldn't have been ready on Friday.

The Element yes I agree

You will have exactly two years after triggering it. Two years till the UK is finished. You got you emigration sorted ?? I haven't. Give me some time please.

whydidhesaythat- "It is what the people voted for"

No they didn't. They voted in an advisory referendum which asked about leaving or remaining in the EU.

Article 50 wasn't mentioned.

Only a mad person would think it was a good idea to invoke it now.

Andrea Leadsom would invoke article 50 Straight away.

I am seriously worried that if it goes to a Tory vote between May and Leadsom, Leadsom has the Tory membership vote as she is a 'Leaver'

Surely the party realises that we need to draw both sides of the argument together now?

While Brexiteers were celebrating gaining 'independence and sovereignty' on Friday morning, a city trader in Asia pressed a button and wiped 10% off the value of sterling.

A salient point, I feel, about the illusion of sovereignty in a global economy.

Can we start a petition for MPs to discuss a pointless petitition?

Oh, wait...

The CG letter is yet another example of the elite patronising the masses. It's not amazing that 4 million people signed the petition for a second referendum bearing in mind that loads more than that voted to remain. We could get to 16m or whatever and it would just be the same divide.

I'm also sick of the idea that those voting leave did so because they were too thick to see past a poster on a bus. Or that they are all racists.

What was the point really? Cameron is a massive coward - he's legged it rather than facing up to his own decision and its consequences and I hope history doesn't treat him as anything other than a massive cowardly egotist.

I actually wish I'd seen through the game playing and abstained. I want no part in this stupid divisive game anymore.

🎶It's too late baby, now it's too late, though we really did try to make it...🎶

My favourite song ever, Element!

Still only got 40,000 signatures....speaks volumes

From Hansard...

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2016-02-25/debates/16022537000001/EuropeanAffairs

Column 497, Hammond:

“Let me be clear; the Government will respect the outcome of the referendum, whatever the result. There will be no second referendum. The propositions on the ballot paper are clear, and I want to be equally clear today. Leave means leave, and a vote to leave will trigger a notice under article 50. To do otherwise in the event of a vote to leave would represent a complete disregard of the will of the people. No individual, no matter how charismatic or prominent, has the right or the power to redefine unilaterally the meaning of the question on the ballot paper.”

“A vote to leave would trigger a fixed two-year time period under the treaty for the UK to negotiate the terms of our exit from, and our future relationship with, the EU.”

Column 498, after Salmond had asked:

“Before notification was given under article 50, given that the referendum is an advisory one in terms of the constitution, would there be a vote in Parliament?”

“The Government’s position is that the referendum is an advisory one, but the Government will regard themselves as being bound by the decision of the referendum and will proceed with serving an article 50 notice.”

If the MPs had wanted a vote after the referendum they could have tabled a motion to have that included in the legislation, they didn't.

Is that you Nigel?

Admittedly I'm starting to want Art50 invoked just to bloomin well shorten the agony.

Thanks spinflight!

I do negotiate for a living and I take the" shorten the agony'" point seriously

The faffing before we start gives those who do not care for us more time to work out their position too.

Christ, no. It's the equivalent of putting your house up for auction with no reserve....

I get what you are all saying

How did it get past Parliament during that debate?. Did it just not seem real to them either?

Worse than that it's the equivalent of selling your house with no idea of where or what you want to buy left and being left homeless and off the housing ladder!

So how did it happen?. It was foreseeable surely?

homeriliad anyone who mentioned sovereignty during the referendum campaign got the sharp end of my 'George Soros/Black Wednesday' lesson from history. None of them listened, though, or seemed to understand.

Article 50 will have to wait (indefinitely) while we sort out the horrendous political mess the referendum has caused.

Ahem. Here is one reason why we haven't invoked Article 50.

The government needs 500 trained trade negotiators to do the exit negotiations with the EU. It's not as simple as 'leave' - there are different options, and we could get a good or bad deal depending on how talks go. As Canada or Australia could confirm, 500 are needed.

Currently the UK has 20. And they live in Brussels and work for the EU. Trade negotiators are very highly skilled and they don't grow on trees.

Just one of the thousands of practical issues overlooked by the Leave zealots.