March? What march?

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Can anyone else find much news coverage of this 'democratic march against democracy'? Twitter is full of info, but tune into the news channels and you would be forgiven for thinking it wasnt happening. Kind of has the ring of 'nobody cares' really doesnt it?

A number of marchers posting on twitter seem to think they are geographically being removed from Europe, although I guess you could forgive them given the odd name given to the march itself 'March for europe'

Why is it not 'March for E.U'? Isnt that what they are really there for? Anyone else as confused as I am?

I love that insult :)

Try laying some ideas in front of me, with plausibility and the relevant economic analysis which has been corroborated by peer review, then I'll give it a try, Roses.

Typical neoliberal, post-ideological dullard.

I'm out

There you go with that neo liberal phrase again, you realise it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Dullard?

Oh Queenie, but I can justify my opinions, with my own writing, and back them up with analysis. I can even source my references properly.

Would you like to insult me some more, because you don't intimidate me intellectually sweetie pie.

Ooer, Queen's found some Big Words to copy and paste.

I dunno, she mic-dropped and everything. I'm convinced

smallfox

Get you with you expecting people to listen to expert opinions which come from respected institutions and in peer reviewed journals using economic models and forecasts based on predicted scenarios.

Don't you know that experts are so last century? It's soundbites now.

I do think, at the very least, that like every single other piece of legislation passed by this government and it predecessor, any Act of Parliament (which there must surely be) cannot be passed by parliament and the House of Lords without a proper OBR impact assessment, analysing the costs and benefits to the economy and its effects on the various stakeholders. Not much to ask.

I also want to know exactly how this legislation is consistent with osborne's new 'growth duty' - basically the government's self imposed statutory duty to ensure that new legislation doesn't impede economic growth - enacted in his Deregulation Act only last year. What was the point of all that statutory commitment to 'growth' if you are just going to come along and fuck it up with a sledgehammer. Seems very odd to me.

Now, now it isn't fair to mock the afflicted so..

Unless 'growth' is so last week ....

Course growth is last week, we won't need it after Brexit when every good Brit gets a pot of gold and a free unicorn (damned EU regulations banned unicorns).

I am really pissed off with this Government though. Austerity has hit people really hard and Cameron has been in denial. He just comes out with the same shit every day about 'hard working families, the last Government, all in this together' and he and his party laughed in the face of Corbyn.

There are real issues. There are people who have had concerns. But he's ignored them and the country has probably paid the price for his arrogance and dismissal.

I really really hope Clinton is listening in the USA. Trump seems like a disaster but he has support. I really hope her team learns from Brexit. I hope all politicians learn what has happened here.

Come on guys, stop poking the bear.

But the bear wants to be poked strictly, and it is rather fun :)

You know what I want. I want a politician who is prepared to address the issues about why people voted Leave. It seems to be way more than the EU and I can see that.

I also want a politician who recognises that half the country did not vote Leave. And to recognise that these people need reassurance as well. Who understands that the economic effects were important.

It's a tough job. It's a rare politician who can carry many different groups with them.

There are real issues. There are people who have had concerns. But he's ignored them and the country has probably paid the price for his arrogance and dismissal.

Agree.

But you only have to look at this thread to see examples of arrogance & dismissal.

Specifically in the last 20 minutes.

I'm voting for soren party. Do you need a shadow cabinet?

Oh come on Mango, you can't really say that.

Specifically a leaver was asked for how the country will get better under brexit, with some back up for her answer not just platitudes.

Then Queenie entered and called me a dullard, and in a misinformed way a neo liberal.

I'm voting for soren party

I'd just get pissed off at PMQs though. I'd ask the PM for statistics and then spend 10 minutes proving why they are wrong. I'd also ask them to answer the question.

In fact, I'd have a panel of independent experts at PMQs to ask the PM a range of subject specific questions on education, housing, the NHS etc.

But knowing me, I'd probably get obsessed by one thing and take my eye off the ball and we'd be at war with some country by accident.

and in a misinformed way a neo liberal

I should know what that is. It's not a neo-Con, obviously.

Off to Google.

Well neo cons believe in neo liberalism !

Confusing no? If you don't know the lingo.

Having read a brief summary of neo liberalism, I certainly don't think smallfox could be described as a neo liberal.

It sounds a bit free for all, market dependant and sod everyone else ish. A bit like Thatcher in the 80s.

It took me a long time to come to grips with the fact that "Neo Liberalism" is the antithesis of what we (in the UK) would consider "liberal"

I've not checked out its origins but I'm presuming it comes from the States where the "state" (or government) = "bad" (or even "Socialist" ) and "liberal" = "freed from state/government control and neo-liberal = even more so. In other words, unfettered capitalism, freed from ("liberated") from all nasty constraints

To a country like the UK, where the "Liberals" are the "good" guy and not right wing, it feels most counter-intuitive

A lot of pro brexit economic models were based on neo liberalism. Which is largely why I couldn't swing for leave.

Strictly So you voted Remain as a vote AGAINST neoliberalism? How is that logical?

Because as she said most of the Brexit models were far more neo liberal than the current EU is, the EU after all espouses regulation of markets.