March? What march?

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Can anyone else find much news coverage of this 'democratic march against democracy'? Twitter is full of info, but tune into the news channels and you would be forgiven for thinking it wasnt happening. Kind of has the ring of 'nobody cares' really doesnt it?

A number of marchers posting on twitter seem to think they are geographically being removed from Europe, although I guess you could forgive them given the odd name given to the march itself 'March for europe'

Why is it not 'March for E.U'? Isnt that what they are really there for? Anyone else as confused as I am?

Small, 80% of MPs supported staying in the EU. Do you believe they did so because they think that it is in the best interest of their constituencies?

(If your answer to that is 'yes' I will seriously question your intellect.)

Did anyone watch the footage of some colossal penises marching against the referendum decision? I posted it further up. Because, if you didn't, I'm going back to copying & pasting.

In a group of tens of thousand there will, of course be a proportion of colossal penises

So unless you've got hard figures then really nothing's going to go very far

Um Yes it is. Genuinely.

However I will question your intellect about people marching, when I can give you examples of the day after the referendum result of "repatriation protests" of the nasty notes posted through Polish doors in Huntingdon, we can go ad infinitum.

Why do you think people become MPs? To be self serving? For the wealth?

Most of these people could do other jobs for far more money.

You want to question my intellect but you can't work out the net migration figure properly. You do make me laugh.

I'd hazard a good guess that most MPs voted that way, if indeed they did because we only know their official stance, because losing the EU scapegoat means they may have to become accountable for their own actions. And that would mean losing their jobs. Plus they were all very aware there was no plan, voting for no plan when you're the people who need to have the plans is not the smartest of moves.

If there was a defined meaning of Exit, I would imagine the spread of the HoC vote would have been vastly different.

Queen, your posts remind me of my children saying something rude to get attention.

That's a good point about the defined meaning of Brexit, but there isn't one, and MPs will vote for what they think is best overall, they are accountable, as are MEPs and the Council of Ministers in the EU.

Voting out when (and here comes your examples of independent organisations) when the Centre for Economic Performance, the IFS, Oxford Economics, IMF and many others advise of the economic difficulties of it, dooms their constituents to uncertainty and economic hardship, is no way to retain a seat.

Strictly, you are spot on about the EU having been their scapegoat.

Small, this idea that the people are effectively incapable of taking part in politics, that you need a PhD in European law to have an opinion on EU membership, is completely un democratic. Can't you see? Left-wing Remain types, so long the sort who would pretend to speak on behalf of the little people, are now openly calling for elite rule. Fucking madness. And fucking unforgivable. Fuckers all.

All of those 'independent economic institutions' get funding from the EU.

In no way am I calling for "elite" rule.

In fact the Electoral Commission report on the referendum, produced in advance said that the issue was far too complex and that ordinary people didn't know enough to make an informed decision.

We should never have had the vote, it was a piece of political expidiency that Cameron gambled on, the out group also gambled upon it for the same reason. Do you really think Boris wanted out? Really?

Farrage and Hannan on the other hand are guilty of Moral Hazard, they won't suffer coming out of the EU, non executive directorships and speaking tours call them.

Greenwood, you mean they run around yelling, 'Mummy, we want to leave the EU'.

Small I love your posts .

I think asking why people become MPs is a good question. I see Ed/Dave Milliband trying to please their Father only.
Its why in the face of utter crisis all he could repeat was " Look, My Father was an immigrant".

Is it a power trip? To tell people rather than listen to them? This is what has happened isnt it, people have been complaining and the MP has been telling them they are mis guided or wrong. A La, GB - bigot gate.

So good question, we have on the one hand in touch Mps like Frank Field or blinkered fools like Milliband. I know which one, actually wants to listen, serve and help their constituents.

Are you drunk, queen? Your posts are becoming rather aggressive.

Small, this idea that the people are effectively incapable of taking part in politics, that you need a PhD in European law to have an opinion on EU membership, is completely un democratic

Yes ^. And it makes me shudder. We have had a lucky escape.

Queen - "Hey look, I posted a clip, did you all watch it? If you didn't I'm going to start c&ping again" "Fuckers all" "stamps feet"

I mean, do you ever read back what you write?

Oh Queen.

The Centre for Economic Performance recieves less than 5% of its fudning from the EU.

Oxford economics gets about the same.

The IFS? Gets its funding from different bodies.

None of these institutions receive enough to taint their reputations of impartiality as this would risk future funding.

You see when you call vested interest, you have to know enough about the organisations you call it on.

I imagine you call it on the BBC too, you know seeing as it get 0.04% of its funding from the EU.

Oh Small

Funding is funding, love.

You leavers can't explain to me how or why things might be better, you just make platitudes about taking back control or other trade deals

I dont think there would ever be any point you are totally mired/entrenched in your own view point. You have very fixed set ideas and are clearly having massive issues with the Tories, so there is no point whatsoever trying to lay evidence or anything in front of you.

Tory = bad, nasty, take our rights away.
EU= good for us, protect us.

I am breathing sighs of relief to have got out.

You are so clever Small.

Funding is funding?

Well that's a poor retort isn't it.

Why not deal with the rest of the post would these very respected organisations taint their reputations for so little money?

They certainly aren't taking their directives from owners like the Sun, Mail, Express and Telegraph to suit political agendas.

And "accuracy is for snake-oil pussies," is it not, Queen? (Dominic Cummings - Leave campaigner). Because who cares if the Leave campaign told a pack of lies to the very people whose views you're claiming to represent - as long as we stick two fingers up to the establishment right?

Well, the Establishment is still in power. Andrea Leadsom and Theresa May do not care about disconnected people who voted as a protest against the elite - they are the elite.

My family, genuinely, are funded slightly by the porn industry. I'm not ever going to say it should be laid out on a family's coffee table.

Try laying some ideas in front of me, with plausibility and the relevant economic analysis which has been corroborated by peer review, then I'll give it a try, Roses.

Until then, just Platitudes.

And yes, I have massive problems with the Tories, you know, the ones that did the damage to the North, the ones that have cut public spending as part of ideology rather than need.

Actually I think my family maybe slightly funded by News International indirectly, and I still think Murdoch is a cockwomble (to be nice)