March? What march?

[Thefuturecouldbebright]

Can anyone else find much news coverage of this 'democratic march against democracy'? Twitter is full of info, but tune into the news channels and you would be forgiven for thinking it wasnt happening. Kind of has the ring of 'nobody cares' really doesnt it?

A number of marchers posting on twitter seem to think they are geographically being removed from Europe, although I guess you could forgive them given the odd name given to the march itself 'March for europe'

Why is it not 'March for E.U'? Isnt that what they are really there for? Anyone else as confused as I am?

The same Murdoch who declared Brexit "wonderful" OP? No worries, I'm sure he has our best interests at heart. Such a lovely man.

What interests does Murdoch have in the EU btw, apart from a stake in Italian Satelite TV.

I've followed lots of these threads and I haven't heard that term before. It's offensive and as I said I've only heard it on this thread, used by a Leaver

It is offensive, yes. Perhaps the fact that there's a remain voter on here trying to justify the use of it has slipped your notice.

Has it been used on this thread by anyone as an insult?

Why the venom and hatred? It was a peaceful march. Why try to be derisive about it?

Greenish whenever I vote, I'm trying to improve the life of strangers - I vote for a better society every time. How dare you say that is insincere? Perhaps you stand in the polling booth thinking only and entirely of yourself and the consequences for you personally but please don't assume everyone has as selfish and narrow a mindset. I was horrified by the last Tory victory because of their programme of cuts - even though the cuts didn't hit me. I don't get tax credits, I'm not disabled, I'm not affected by the bedroom tax etc - it doesn't mean I don't care about their implementation, that I don't protest against the impact they have on other people's lives. I would never vote Tory even if it would benefit me because I want to live in a fairer society and I want our society to look after the dispossessed and the vulnerable. So don't tell me I voted to Remain in the UK just for me and didn't think about the impact on others, I thought about what it would do for the whole country.

Lastgirl, the fact that you find a peaceful demonstration to express the feelings of 48% of voters and make sure that such an enormous minority are represented in the seismic upheaval about to occur is 'embarrassing' makes me feel embarrassed for you. How utterly ridiculous to imagine that the appropriate thing for that 48% to do is to now be silent forevermore on the subject because a non-binding referendum result with a tiny majority, a significant proportion of whom based their vote on lies should now enforce an enormous change with incredible consequences for the future, plunging the country into recession and breaking up the union, should now be implemented in law because some people believe that is the only democratic option?

Good post Captain

The Remain campaign was based on lies and that absurd march was yet more middle class virtue-signalling.

The fact people are getting angry over a protest says a lot more about them than it does anyone else. There are protests in Parliament Square nearly all the time - the anti Israel one are there everyday and in the middle of any other protest that happens.

None of those protests are pathetic. What is pathetic is when people use them as excuses to damage property or start fights. Why the anger? Why not be happy that there weren't any people purposely causing trouble, especially on such a divisive issue?

The right to peaceful protest is a great freedom we have in this country. People who think this shouldn't be allowed or happening aren't fighting for sovereignty or democracy, they're fighting for dictatorship.

For the record OP, I appreciate you haven't said that and made it clear several times

Ah, yes, for us middle class types, all our opinions are virtue signalling. Why, I can't remember the last time I ever had a thought of my own.

Seriously. Over the past week, any time the demographic of the leave vote has been mentioned a huge outcry of "Aaaaggeeeist!!!! Claaassssist!!" has gone up. Yet you guys are seemingly free to insult the rest of us with impunity.

Captain you simply cannot ignore the MAJORITY who voted to leave. What do you NOT understand about that? Protest all you want but the vote has been taken and if you took part in the vote then you agreed with it.

*Funding from the EU?

Here's a hand out. Now shut up and fuck off home.

Seriously?*

A lot of EU funding is for skills development to get people back into work, and infrastructure projects.

Just because you use capitals, doesn't make your point look any stronger - just saying.

you simply cannot ignore the MAJORITY who voted to leave. What do you NOT understand about that? Protest all you want but the vote has been taken and if you took part in the vote then you agreed with it

Taking part in the vote did NOT mean we agreed with it.

Taking part in the vote did NOT mean we agreed with it.

Very true, there wasn't a hidden terms and conditions box. Yes, in the giant expensive opinion poll leave won, and yes morally the government should take that. But the government also need to remember nearly half those who voted didn't want that and all sides need consideration. This isn't Pop Idol.

Go and have a look at the way referenda are carried out in countries which have them more regularly. It is not as simple as 'majority vote wins, end of'. A referendum is a very blunt tool. Using it like that is pretty disastrous. It is important that we all continue to campaign for our beliefs and make sure we are all fairly represented, that compromises can be sought, that we can make the ongoing process fairer, more transparent and more accountable. It's a disaster for democracy if we all shut up now and go 'it's a fair cop, do as you like' - it is a fundamental part of the democratic process that we make ourselves heard in a peaceful but effective way.

Of course I would have expected protests if it was a 52-48 win for Remain and I wouldn't mock or condemn a peaceful march of Leavers (obviously as a hardcore of racist groups voted Leave, there could be risks from that small but potentially violent minority). I would expect our politicians to take the close result seriously and to address the concerns of that 48%. Under no circumstances would I say 'shut up, we won, end of debate' because that makes a mockery of democracy, stifles vital discussion, deepens division and strengthens barriers between people. Why do some people struggle so much to grasp this?

You do know how teeny-tiny those hardcore racists are in number, don't you?

"teeny-tiny"
Cute teeny-tiny numbers?

I'm not angry at the march, merely amused and a touch, you know..cringed-out. What those people are effectively saying is: 'But it's not FAIR! The plebs were never supposed to win'

Teeny-tiny as in very easy to smack over the head with batons by a few coppers should the bastards rise up in a violent marching mob. Unlike those larger numbers of violent islamists we appear not to be capable of stopping.

Ok, so this is obviously a strange morning where someone is effectively saying you can't tar everyone with the same brush and then calling an entire group of people whiny with no sense of hypocrisy. So nice to see what's been wrought of this ill thought out referendum.

Queen you might apply that to the politicians who almost certainly didn't expect that result, but I certainly wasn't marching because of any issues of 'fairness'.

I believe Leavers have been misled, mainly by people who used the referendum to further their political careers.

Right, Queen, the point of my post was really that this is more important than who gets to 'win' - in such a close result, everyone needs to get their voices heard. It isn't 'cringey', it's a really important part of democracy. But you'd like to ignore everything I said and just focus on precisely how many racists might have attended a Leavers' protest march in reversed circumstances - sure, they'd be a small minority but we'd be foolish to imagine there would be none or so few that we didn't need to be at all concerned. And then back to the smug superior 'haha, we won, you lost' which truly is the attitude that will make our politics great and bolster our democracy. Fantastic.

No queen it's Leave voters such as yourself crying 'but it's unfair' when the British population utilises their right to march for what they believe in. They got all excited about democracy (innit), but failed to realise or accept that the referendum is only an opinion poll and that the democratic process simply does't end with the outcome of a referendum. They have their knickers in a twist because participating in the referendum and 'taking control back' didn't turn out to be so straightforward after all, I don't think they feel very much in control right now. Fair enough to debate the implications of not acting on the referendum etc. but this thread is merely infantile but a little bit entertaining too, so i don't mind too much.