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March? What march?

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Thefuturecouldbebright · 02/07/2016 14:04

Can anyone else find much news coverage of this 'democratic march against democracy'? Twitter is full of info, but tune into the news channels and you would be forgiven for thinking it wasnt happening. Kind of has the ring of 'nobody cares' really doesnt it?

A number of marchers posting on twitter seem to think they are geographically being removed from Europe, although I guess you could forgive them given the odd name given to the march itself 'March for europe'

Why is it not 'March for E.U'? Isnt that what they are really there for? Anyone else as confused as I am?

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sorenofthejnaii · 03/07/2016 08:23

the point of my post was really that this is more important than who gets to 'win' - in such a close result, everyone needs to get their voices heard

This. This and this. I hate the way certain papers are having a go at people who voted Remain. It does nothing to help heal divisions. All it does is reinforce separation.

I bet there is a massive middle ground but their voices are not being heard.

Figmentofmyimagination · 03/07/2016 08:27

I love this - first we are "disgusting" - then we are "embarrassing" - now we are "cringey". It makes these posters look at best silly, but at worst, unpleasantly authoritarian.

CaptainBrickbeard · 03/07/2016 08:34

I think it makes them look desperate. They can see that their 'victory' is on very flimsy ground, that the politicians who campaigned for it are floundering and panicking, that there is no clear objectives or plan for Brexit, that the consequences of leaving are not good and that Remainers are angry and articulate whilst Leavers are in the news expressing regret and fear at their choice. So they are confused and scared and worried that it is indeed, not that simple at all. They would like to find ways to diminish the credibility of Remainers hence the panicked cries of 'bigot' or attempts to laugh at them and mock them. I also believe there is a huge middle ground who are interested in compromise, discussion and finding sensible ways forwards. They aren't the ones laughing at protesters.

Sweetgreen · 03/07/2016 08:38

^^ yy Captain.

StrictlyMumDancing · 03/07/2016 08:43

I also believe there is a huge middle ground who are interested in compromise, discussion and finding sensible ways forwards. They aren't the ones laughing at protesters.
Definitely Captain.

NotYoda · 03/07/2016 08:43

I marched because I am very worried about what has happened. I don't care if some of you think it's sore losing. I have not felt moved to march for 20-odd years. I wanted to join with others in communicating what I believe - that this referendum should never have taken place, that genuine working class people's concerns have been exploited by people who do not give a stuff about them, and that I feel European and want to reassure the many many immigrants who feel rejected and even fearful.

So I don't care that you think it's embarrassing, cringey, whatever mature insult you want to throw around.

NotYoda · 03/07/2016 08:44

Captain

Yes.

NotYoda · 03/07/2016 08:51

LastgirlOnTheLeft

Voting did not mean I agreed with the referendum

It meant I wanted to attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Figmentofmyimagination · 03/07/2016 09:04

Good aerial photos in the Guardian's coverage -

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/march-for-europe-eu-referendum-london-protest

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 03/07/2016 09:15

Hear hear, captainbrickbeard - everything you said.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 03/07/2016 10:02

Look, we had a vote, it is decided. End of story.

This sort of comment is just so concerning - because it is not over, this is just the beginning. We have no one governing this at the present time, and are unlikely to until September when a new leader is put in place. That is months of uncertainty before anyone is even 'in charge' of this. And the UK's interests as a whole have to be fought for.

Single market/city passporting/Norway model/out of the EU completely? Who knows?? It's not as simple as "we had the vote, now we leave".

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:05

Greenish whenever I vote, I'm trying to improve the life of strangers - I vote for a better society every time. How dare you say that is insincere?

Captain Read my post again...I said very few, not all as I'm sure you're perfectly aware

So, apologies if my post has outraged you as much as it appears to have done - but I stand by my opinion that few of the Remain voters were voting to save the unfortunate "uneducated, low intellect, racist" Leave voters from themselves.

No matter what your personal intentions were when you placed your vote, I believe it's insincere to pretend that Remain voters - who are now slating Leave voters in the most offensive terms and have been doing so since the referendum - care a jot about the effect it's going to have on the lives of the people who voted differently to them.

If you were considering me when you placed your vote Captain, thank you.

caitlinohara · 03/07/2016 10:15

I don't believe for a minute that everyone votes selfishly. I am much better off under the Tories because their tax policies benefit me. Doesn't mean I would ever vote for them and continue to allow them to screw over their 'hard working families' Angry

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:30

caitlin, once again, I didn't say everyone

I'm glad you wouldn't vote Tory, me neither, and yet here we are with a Tory government that you and I didn't vote for.......and accepting it.

Imbroglio · 03/07/2016 10:33

Speak for yourself, Green. It isn't in anyone's interest to have a socially divided society and I believe that existing divisions are now going to get much wider as a result of Brexit.

Rich and educated people can get work elsewhere, EU or no EU. Some will find opportunities to make a lot more money, trading on instability and insecurities. The ones who will suffer are the ones who are left behind. And if they voted Leave and don't see any positive changes they will feel even more disenfranchised and disillusioned with the system.

Brexit will cost the government a fortune, for years to come. So anyone hoping to overturn any of the austerity measures imposed since the brash are going to have a long wait.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:39

Speak for yourself, Green.

I am speaking for myself Imbroglio. Sorry if that bothers you.

CaptainBrickbeard · 03/07/2016 10:40

Yes, Green, here we are with a Tory government we didn't vote for and about to have a prime minister nobody bloody voted for and rather than accepting it, we have spent their time in government signing petitions, writing letters, raising awareness and marching against their stupid, harmful decisions - one of which is this referendum. Or do you think that since the Tories got in power, no one should have spoken out against their tax credit cuts or attack on disability benefits because they won the election and can do what they like..?

Imbroglio · 03/07/2016 10:44

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, Green but you are making a lot of assumptions about what Remain voters think.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:47

Or do you think that since the Tories got in power, no one should have spoken out against their tax credit cuts or attack on disability benefits because they won the election and can do what they like..?

Not at all Captain and some people did speak out and rightly so. However, I don't recall weekly mass protests in London on the scale we're seeing now when the Tories were re-elected.

CaptainBrickbeard · 03/07/2016 10:50

That's probably because this is an irreversible change, once Article 50 is invoked. If the general election had been to elect a government to be in power forever then I think we would have seen some pretty big protests.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:54

Once again Imbroglio...not all

It's also an assumption to say that those Remain voters who now appear to despise Leave voters (and there are many) had the interests of the people they're so aggressively deriding at heart when they placed their vote.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 10:58

That's probably because this is an irreversible change, once Article 50 is invoked

I'd say that's equally true if we'd voted to Remain - it would have been just as irreversible and I think for many that was the whole point of voting to Leave now.

CaptainBrickbeard · 03/07/2016 11:04

No, there would have always been the possibility of leaving in the future it a 'Bre-entry' is not an option once we go. Anyway, as I said, I wouldn't have mocked or condemned the hypothetical 48% Leave March - if the results had been so close the other way I would absolutely have expected protests, anger and a great deal of discussion going forwards.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 11:11

No, there would have always been the possibility of leaving in the future

Well that remains to be seen doesn't it?

If the current Leave vote is reversed because of the protests of the Remain camp it'll show that there'd be virtually no democratic possibility of that ever happening.

GreenishMe · 03/07/2016 11:15

.....and, btw, I do think the Leave vote will eventually be reneged upon - because of 'class superiority' in the split.