Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

[Helmetbymidnight]

Inform yourself how you like but if you're really going to spout untruths like things can't get much worse for the people who voted leave then expect people to challenge you.

[BlackeyedSusan]

things can get worse. The price of food is likely to go up if the pound falls against the dollar, and stays there, as the cost of production, and transport go up due to oil being priced in dollars. The poor spend a greater percentage of their income on food, and it will hit them the hardest. I also suspect there is not a lot of wriggle room in their budgets, such that there are very few ways they can cut back alredy stretched food budgets.

there is talk of scrapping the triple lock for pensions. Not all pensioners are well off.

those who can now get by and afford a week in the sun may find they now can not afford a week every year and it is much more expensive due to the exchange rate. they will also be hit with increases in food and fuel. further reducing their ability to have a few luxuries in life.

[HelpfulChap]

Most peoples biggest expenditure is their mortgage. Monthly repayments will come down.

If a weaker currency means less people have a foreign holiday they are more likely to holiday in the UK. Another boost to the domestic economy

Pretty much every vegetable I saw in Morrison's today from Spain. Very unlikely to stop selling to us as punishment and the price will rise a few pence at most depending on currency fluctuations.

The sky really isn't falling in although it appears some posters hope it does so they can be proved 'right'.

[Grassgreendashhabi]

Hang on....

So people wanting, expecting or even demanding answers as to why people voted leave...

I ask you the same because so far all your remain arguments include the words .... Likely, possibly, may, could and might, go up, go down

Tell me concrete facts and evidence of how things WILL be worse off.

Because so far all or most of the experts have given predictions and forecasts

But you on here seem to have actual FACTS

Share them

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

I just watched Professor Dougan unpack the claims made the Leave campaign.

How could anyone in their right mind have voted for such a pack of lies?

[MangoMoon]

"For those who believe they are born to rule, democracy should be for those who meet some standard set by them with the proviso that the vote coincides with what they think ought to happen. For this group, the Brexit vote signals the need to limit democracy to ensure that important decisions are left to self-certified experts."


www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-ignorant-educated-cosmopolitan-modern-britain-a7116836.html

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

Any thoughts on Professor Dougan's comments mango? The facts, rather than rhetoric?

[Helmetbymidnight]

I'm not wanting, demanding or expecting to know why you voted leave. That's all over now.

I thought it might cheer us all up if you had some genuine, plausible reasons why you expect school and nhs funding to go up and jobs to be more secure in ten years time.

No? It's from the same school of thought as things can't get much worse for the people who voted leave?
O-kayyy.

[MangoMoon]

Have not seen them.

Would you like to briefly lay them out?

[QueenOfNowt]

You've never visited a third world country? A place without a welfare state? You've not studied history and seen what life has been like in Europe for centuries?

Helmet by name...

[babybythesea]

Grassgreen
Two concrete things.

1. My organisation is both an environmental charity and a tourist destination. The letter we have had is still worded 'if' and 'maybe' but some of this is because they are not sure if Article 50 will be invoked, and if so on what timetable. If it is, we will see an end to any EU funding. We don't have loads of it but have had some. We are also in an area which has received EU funding. One result will almost certainly be that local visitor numbers will fall. Tourism from within the the UK is likely to rise, but visitors from overseas are likely to fall as the UK becomes less easy to visit (less easy to travel from within the EU, Easyjet talking of pulling out of the UK so not as many cheap flights, UK perceived as less safe). This has come from the Association of Tourism or whatever they are called - can't find the letter and I work on the edge of the charity so haven't really paid attention). It is likely that visitor numbers overall will drop. We have some savings, but their value is likely to fall. Overall, we re likely to see a negative effect with our finances. Not to worry, we are not doing anything yet, until we know for sure but they predict that we will need to think carefully about our finances in the next few years. Last time they said that, we had to make redundancies and cut back some of our charity work.
   

1. A friend has already had his EU funding cut for his cancer research in a university. They have said that since cancer research is long-term, there is no point in him doing another couple of years with their funding, only for the UK to leave and the project be cut short at that point. That would be a waste of money. Best to cut their losses now and start funding an alternative project elsewhere in the EU. Of course, they are willing to discuss his potential relocation with him. So loss of a scientist to the UK (after all we don't want clever people here, because we don't need experts). Or he loses his job. And the fact that it impacts on something as critical as cancer research.
   

And that is just a week after the result with no idea when exit form the EU will actually happen, after a week in which the sky hasn't fallen in so we've got nothing to be negative about. So I'm told.

[MangoMoon]

Oh, sorry - just seen your previous post:

^Professor Dougan unpack the claims made the Leave campaign.

How could anyone in their right mind have voted for such a pack of lies?^

I didn't really pay much attention to the leave campaign tbh.

I payed most attention to the remain campaign & to remain campaigners.

So: as I didn't vote based on the leave campaign, or, by extension, based on 'a pack of lies', then I'm afraid there's no real point in me posting any thoughts on the unpicking of lies that did nothing to sway me in the first place.

[MangoMoon]

*paid, not payed

[Grassgreendashhabi]

Baby -

The EU contribute a maximum of 15% to top up funding the rest is given by UK government

And as for tourism why are they saying on the news that one week after britex UK campsites have had 100% more pre or reserved bookings for next year.

That cannot be bad for UK

Helmet - yes you did you asked for answers at 16.04 15.53

[Helmetbymidnight]

Ooh queen, is that your own little joke or are you just copying and pasting others stuff and passing it off as your own thoughts again?

[babybythesea]

You asked. I gave the things that have actually happened to me or a friend.
I don't know why they are saying that. But even if we implemented article 50 now it wouldn't be for another 2 years that it came into effect, and I got the feeling the letter we got was much more long term than next year. Great, it looks good for next year. But what about in five years time? Or 10 years?
And as to the other, feel free to explain to my friend that he's made a mistake and his funding has not been withdrawn.

You asked for concrete examples. I gave you 2. But they are not good enough. Sorry about that. They are however real life.

[Helmetbymidnight]

Again you've misread what I clearly wrote- I didn't ask why you voted leave- I asked why you thought there will be greater investment in the nhs and schools, and food and job security in 10 years time. I hoped you had some happy information.

Ok uk campsites are doing well - you might be right, this well could save the economy from going down the pan.

[drummersmum]

OP: I'm still walking on air
That's because you actually are.

[JudyCoolibar]

But you on here seem to have actual FACTS. Share them

How about the Remain predictions that are already coming true, such as the pound dropping and staying down, businesses announcing that they are pulling out, people having job offers withdrawn, and the rise in racist attacks?

[noblegiraffe]

So a whole thread later and we have leave voters apparently so emotionally wedded to a leave outcome that they are happy, excited and 'walking on air' yet completely unable to articulate how Brexit will make their lives better except in some vague 'perhaps there will be more money for education in the future' way.

So was it just an investment in a 'side'? Like being happy that your team wins the championship or something, even though it's personally meaningless (except there are pesky people pointing out that your team burned down the stadium in order to claim the trophy and now everyone is sad which is putting a downer on your joy).

[smallfox1980]

I think that is a great point.

[MangoMoon]

Nearly the end of this cheery thread....

[smallfox1980]

I prefer the one with the ministry of silly walks stepping off a cliff.

Far more appropriate.

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

How strange, Mango. So you voted by default. Fair enough....but strange.

[MangoMoon]

What do you mean, "you voted by default"?!