Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Queen care to provide your evidence for my dastardly character?

Well, the EU trade agreements are very influential on investment. Something like £450 billion of FDI is from EU firms. Secondly investment is already stalling as firms like Siemens wait to see what will happen.

Your points on productivity, I dealt with above. With falls in internal and foreign investment you will see initially less short run economic growth and in the long run the productive capacity of the economy will not increase. So will the SR effect productivity is likely to fall.

Firms don't increase productivity when the markets that they operate in are contracting, on top of this they don't invest much in human or physical capital, again reducing productivity.

On top of this increasing costs due to increasing inflation is likely to further damage the economy.

The UK will be able to strike trade agreements? How long do these take on average to organise? Why do you think that they will be on our terms?

If we go to the WTO standards we have to offer the same deal to all 160 countries in it unless we organise preferential deals outside of this, which again takes a long time. The US deal will be far more like the TTIP deal you want to avoid than the one the EU is negotiating due to a reduced negotiating position.

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smallfox1980

Yes you're right, this is a discussion board. A board made up of ordinary normal people from a range of backgrounds & professions.
You seem to expect us all to have the knowledge of George Osborne when it comes to finance. & because we don't, we voted the wrong way? Do you seriously expect 17 million people to know the in's & out's of a ducks arse when it comes to trade deals?

This is Mumsnet, not some city trading room.

I'd expect people to admit that they don't know anything about trade deals and thereby not trash the UK's current one on the grounds that 'it will be fine'.

Do you seriously expect 17 million people to know the in's & out's of a ducks arse when it comes to trade deals?

I am happy to put my hands up and say that I know only the barest bones about economics and finance and politics. I never thought a referendum on something as complex and far-reaching as this was a good idea. Not, before you start, because people are stupid but because it's so bloody complicated and I think everyone can gracefully admit that, now that everybody is talking about the years it will take to unravel the legalities and negotiate conditions with the rest of the world, yes ? We have experts (that much-loathed species) to make these sorts of decisions for us, and they overwhelmingly said that we would be worse off Out than In. Like I trust the Gas Safe plumber to install my boiler, and he in return trusts me (I hope) to do his cancer research.

The Leave campaign told voters to ignore the experts' opinions because they were wrong. Nevertheless I agree it is wholly unfair to conclude that 17 million voters decided they knew better than experts about the ins and outs of trade deals .

This is Mumsnet, not some city trading room.

That has certainly been made abundantly clear to me. It's more like a soft play area. Most of the children are running around in a hyperactive but good-natured way. Then periodically an angry child comes along, poos in the ball pool, pushes some children around and runs away screaming "You're all mean!" without waiting for the consequences.

Forgetting the fact of course, that the vast majority of people voted leave over the immigration issue.
Countries will still trade with us, companies will still invest here. House prices will still go up. I'm confident of that.
I want tighter controls on who comes into this country. We don't need unskilled, criminals, murderers & rapists thank you.

You seem to expect us all to have the knowledge of George Osborne when it comes to finance. & because we don't, we voted the wrong way? Do you seriously expect 17 million people to know the in's & out's of a ducks arse when it comes to trade deals

No - but when you have experts, people who do this stuff for a living, saying that leaving the EU is going to make trade just that bit more difficult and is likely to affect trade, you have to ask why those people were ignored?

Unless there were people who weren't concerned over the economic effects because life was crap enough anyway?

Or didn't see the link between the economy and their lives?

Or were told not to believe the experts?

When politicians take an anti expert stance, that's not a good thing.

Forgetting the fact of course, that the vast majority of people voted leave over the immigration issue

And as has been pointed out by politicians, it seems that we will still have some immigration.

We don't need unskilled, criminals, murderers & rapists thank you

No, we don't. That is an issue and you can see how people have been let down.

Countries will still trade with us, companies will still invest here. House prices will still go up. I'm confident of that

Of course countries will still trade with us and invest with us. It just may well be more expensive and we may have lost a competitive advantage because of the referendum.

House prices going up? Because that's helpful to people

'unskilled, criminals, murderers & rapists'

Perhaps you would like the chance to explain why you don't mean that the immigrants coming to the country so far fit this description.

Because what you just said makes you sound like a cunt. I'm sure you are not one. But I think you need to explain your comment more thoroughly, if you don't want to be perceived as one.

Some immigration is absolutely fine, we need immigrants, they are vital to our economy & enhance this country greatly.
But we can now decide who we want &
need. No freedom of movement.

WE decide. not the EU.

So you are willing to accept the negative consequences of preventing freedom of movement?

Not fussed about that, right?

But there will have to be freedom of movement, if we want trade. Which we do.

But we can now decide who we want and need. No freedom of movement

This is what the negotiations will decide. It won't be you nor the great British public. It will be whoever does the deal and what trade offs occur.

We've had our say.

Would Brexiters be happy with May serving the Art 50 notice on say 1 Jan 2017 (it then runs for 2 years) and on the basis we stay in the EEA (not the EU)?

Then in 2020 we have a general election and people can vote for parties eg one that even wants to leave the EEA?

(EEA means free trade, subject to EU laws but we have no say in them unlike now, free immigration although under art 112 of the EEA agreement I think we can apply ( or insist on) to limit that by quota. This EEA route (Norway has it) would be leaving the EU so does follow what you voted for).

"But we can now decide who we want &
need. No freedom of movement"

Well, if that's what the people who negotiate our exit decide. It will mean not being able to trade with EU countries, though.

It's all up for discussion. Nothing has been ruled out.

It's all up for discussion. Nothing has been ruled out

Exactly. So you can't say what will happen, can you? You can just say what you want to see happen.

But the reality is that it is very unlikely we will get freedom of trade without freedom of movement and a contribution to EU funds based on GDP.

Still, we won't get the EU making up 55% of our laws and having unelected people telling us what to do so that's ok.

except the above is untrue

'It's all up for discussion. Nothing has been ruled out.'

So what did you vote for then?

I voted for change.

voted for change

Well, you've certainly got that. We definitely have changed as a country. Or maybe we've just revealed what we've always been.

And you are certain that change will be for the better? Even though you can't describe what the changed world will look like.

So will Brexiters accept my change about - we move from EU to EEA in about 3 years' time? If so I think I can live with that as a Remainer and it may be the best compromise solution.

It seems perfectly obvious on a fundamental level that if you share with people, you can't just cherry pick the nice bits. That's not really sharing is it?

And wanting just only the nice things for yourself, well that's kind of selfish, isn't it? People aren't likely to agree to that.