Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

I voted for change

Well you certainly got what you wanted!

Investments frozen, research funding and researchers redirected to other countries, jobs lost or moving abroad, the country divided possibly forever.

The country was divided anyway - hopefully now we can build a better future for everyone. Rome wasn't built in a day, you can't exoect much to have happened in a week ( & markets always go down in periods of uncertainty, they'll go back up )

This really is just mindless arse dribble, isn't it? It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.

The country was divided anyway - hopefully now we can build a better future for everyone

I agree on that. I think that the saddest thing was that it took a referendum to make people realise that. Politicians should have realised that way before (and so should the EU).

I also worry that the reforms won't build that better future for everyone.

EEA is LeaveLite. I can't see it appeasing Leavers, perhaps Remainers.

You just have to look at the areas that voted remain. Forgetting Scotland ( not really sure what's going on up there, they wanted independence from the UK but want to remain in the EU? - how is that 'independence' )
The areas that voted remain are overwhelming the better off areas. London - say no more.
So yes, the country is divided. & it has been
for decades.
If you think that's funny then I don't really know what more to say to you?
What's funny about deprived areas wanting change?

What's not funny is that those areas are the most likely to be arse-invaded by the very people they've handed complete power over to.

And when they realise, and speak out?

"You voted for this"

If anyone finds that funny they have a rather macabre sense of humour.

I have learned that self harm is something that communities can do collectively. And I worry very much about what will happen when the immediate release of stress and tension that the act gives proves to be illusory, and that stress and tension builds up again - but worse.

Sorry, wrong thread

Does it matter though if we go to Leave Lite? we have left and we don't need to appease the leavers. They won't vot3e UKIP into power as their vote is split into two sections - UKIP white working class poor and the richer pensioners who don't like EU regulations. The latter won't vote UKIP and UKIP won't rise to power so they will all be stuck with the EEA which remainers can probably just about stomach.

That's one very selective reading of the result- the other is that it was won by the wealthier over 60s. What an unusual alliance they make.

But we haven't left, we've expressed a majority opinion that preferred leaving. The terms of how (if) we leave are yet to be negotiated and if they were Leave Lite I don't see how it would be acceptable to the Leavers. But if enough time passes, maybe.

What's not funny is that those areas are the most likely to be arse-invaded by the very people they've handed complete power over

Then they vote them out after 4 years.

Anyway. this thread is almost full so I'm out of here.
Thank you for an interesting lively debate.

Just read the postings on this thread from this morning - it's like watching a pack of rabid bullies all crowding round one person and taking turns to kick.

We get it - you're 'angry' etc, but ffs there is no need for the pack mentality shoeing that's going on here.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/01/europhile-crybabies-want-to-kill-off-british-democracy-so-we-mus/

MangoMoon

It was the Leavers who had a tantrum first.

Im not even going to click on that link just the hyperbole in it shows what a load of crap it.will. be
Buy again leavers hiding in democracy despite the small majority, and despite the fact that the referendum isn't binding.

"Just read the postings on this thread from this morning - it's like watching a pack of rabid bullies all crowding round one person and taking turns to kick"

Mango

1. the person concerned obviously enjoys being the centre of attention- hence all her threads.
2. if you make unsubstantiated or inaccurate statements, you surely expect to be asked to back them up?

Haha Bertrand you big old bully, you.

Oh, well that's ok then!

'They started it!'
'She likes attention, ergo she must like any attention, however nasty'

Carry on then with your pack mentality....

Given the very narrow margin in favour of Brexit, I don't think EEA/Brexit-Lite is wrong - the Norwegian option. We will have "left" the EU so we have broken no promise.

If the Brexiters don't like it then in 2020 they can vote for a party who wants to leave the EEA.

The UK will 'probably' be able to strike trade agreements with the US and Asian markets that have a greater focus on financial service

Really? Why would those markets choose to strike agreements with one small country as opposed to a bloc of 27 countries which it already trades with? What is your evidence, Queen, that those agreements will be as favourable as the ones we currently have through the EU? And how are we going to be able to focus on financial services when many of the financial services companies are busy making plans to leave the UK?

What's not funny is that those areas are the most likely to be arse-invaded by the very people they've handed complete power over

Then they vote them out after 4 years.

OP, you really worry me. How can the deprived areas guarantee to vote out the people who are shafting them? After all, they couldn't at the last election, could they? And if they do, how does the next government wave a magic wand to produce investment in deprived areas equivalent to what would be lost if we leave?

You promised a couple of days ago to come back and prove me wrong when I pointed out that the European Court of Human Rights is entirely separate from the EU. You haven't, so I assume you concede this.

That means that you voted on the basis of at least two mistaken assumptions - that getting out of the EU would mean getting out of the Human Rights Treaty, and that any adverse consequences for deprived areas could be overcome just by voting in another government. Yet you still proclaim that you are happy with the way you voted. Why?

'Just read the postings on this thread from this morning - it's like watching a pack of rabid bullies all crowding round one person and taking turns to kick.'

I thought the rule was that if more people disagreed with you than agreed with you, you just shut your big mouth.

Democracy, innit?

That means that you voted on the basis of at least two mistaken assumptions

So?

She voted, that is what is important - not what her reasons were for doing so.

Perhaps if the 27.8% who didn't bother had done so, the result would have been different?

Any ire is surely better directed towards the people who didn't give enough if a crap either way.