Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

Very odd definition of "bully", too........

JudyCoolibar

We'll have to be quick because we're running out of space.

My point about 'every four years' is we can vote governments out if we're not happy. ( The EU was always there like a black cloud over us no matter who was running the country ) Are you saying voting in a new party changes nothing? If that's the case why have we got labour/ Tory/liberals/ greens/ UKIP? We may as well just have one party if nothing ever changes?

And the human rights issue.
I'll admit I haven't had time to look into this so perhaps you can help me.
Are you saying that once we come out of the EU nothing will change regarding our ability to deport criminals? - nothing will change at all?

Democracy, innit?

If your version of democracy is pack mentality bullying, then it's very different to mine.

I didn't realise that if someone posted something stupid, people who disgreed with her had to refrain from posting if someone else had already disagreed, because otherwise it would look like a 'pack'.

How should this be organised? Name out of a hat for who gets to respond?

Mango, she is skipping from thread to thread "so happy" and "walking on air" because she thinks that she has voted for things she feels will make Britain a better place. At least two of these things are factually incorrect and will not happen. Can you not see how that might be a bit.....frustrating.....for the people on the other side of the vote?

"Are you saying that once we come out of the EU nothing will change regarding our ability to deport criminals? - nothing will change at all?"

We'll still be able to deport them. That won't change.

BertrandRussell

How many threads have I posted on within the last 2 days?
Where are all these threads I'm on? Because as far as I know I've only posted on two.
I pretty much guarantee you've posted on more.

Bertrand basically has it right about my answer to you, Mango.

As for OP: we vote for MEPs. Same principle. I didn't say that voting in a new government changed nothing; what I said was that those in the deprived areas who voted Leave in the mistaken belief that they'd be fine without EU funding won't be able to remedy that by voting in another government, because a new government won't be able to walk back into the EU and take up where we left off, nor can it replace that EU funding.

I've told you the position with regard to the European Court of Human Rights, OP. It's perfectly straightforward. We signed the European Convention on Human Rights in 1953, decades before we joined the EU, and we will still be signed up to it if we leave. Your belief that leaving the EU will mean that we're no longer signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights is totally unfounded. You said that you voted Leave because you thought we wouldn't be bound by that treaty. Are you still just as happy as you were at the start of this thread? Are you not slightly bothered that you based your vote on a fallacy?

Yes I am happy, because even if I'm wrong on that issue, taking control of our borders means we'll have less criminals to deport anyway.

It's not if you're wrong, OP, you are wrong. At least have the grace to admit that.

How do you contend we will be taking control of our borders if we have to allow freedom of movement to EU citizens in order to secure trade? And what do you say should happen at the borders to enable us to detect magically that someone is a potential criminal?

The problem is whether we are in or out people get in. We are not in schengen and in theory we check passports now. Leaving the EU or even leaving the EEA will not mean passport controls change. So that is another Brexit myth. Real criminals can still get on - you just hire a boat and land on an isolated beach as you have always done avoiding main airports or you buy a fake passport.

On deportations that has never had much to do with the EU despite what the Brexiters have convinced themselves of. We will probably lose the European arrest warrant and there are pros and cons to that.

The ECHR indeed dates from well before we joined the EU and yet again as on so many issues Brexiters got it all wrong.

taking control of our borders

So you're in favour of putting up a border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland?

Ok I was wrong. You were right.

& your second point.
That's all up for negotiation, so Impossible to answer. We may not allow freedom of movement?

'We may not allow freedom of movement?'

Bloody hell, OP. Do you want it or not?

If you do, you have to accept that it isn't all roses. It's a massive inconvenience - to put it lightly - to millions and millions of people. Not to mention the financial impact.

"We may not allow freedom of movement?"

So, no trading with the rest of Europe, then?

How many threads have I posted on within the last 2 days?

Two according to MN search (and only one referendum thread) in the last two days.

But 28 separate referendum threads since Friday 24th. So that's why your user name will be familiar.

I've posted on 28 referendum threads since Friday 24June? 28 threads in 9 days?

no way. That's not true.

Well, it may be 27 (as I may have counted in the Jeremy Corbyn thread) but it's a surprising number, no?

I make it 26, OP.

I can't believe it?
How can I find out that info?

The starting point for the deportation of EU criminals is The Immigration (EEA) Regulations 2006. Currently it is very difficult to deport an EU citizen who has committed a crime based on the test in the legislation and subsequent case law. Leaving would afford an opportunity to amend that legislation to suit the needs of the U.K. to make it easier to deport if that is the wish. Deportation is not soley based on the ECHR, however as the UK is still a signatory to the ECHR any new legislation would have to be compatible with the ECHR.

It doesn't matter how many threads you've posted on- you're a prominent Mumsnet Leaver.

Do you want to address the European Court issue?

What relevance has how many threads the op is on ?

Does it mean that she is interested in the current political situation. Yes

What has it got to do with anyone ? Nothing

Op Lets find out how many times Bertrand Russel has been on the EU threads lamenting wonky bananas shall we?

I suspect a great many more times than you have been on threads saying you feel on top of the world

Exactly Green, putrid isn't it specially coming from Banana fanatics