Exactly one week on - happy 'leavers' how are we all feeling?

[Surferjet]

Wow what a week
I'm still walking on air & soooooo happy we're leaving, just want A50 triggered ASAP!

I agree. But it does have relevance if other people think she is a one off poster and people are making assumptions about her based in one thread alone, rather than basing them on views she has expressed in multiple threads.

I've just checked & I've posted on 16 referendum threads since 24/6/16. - & on a lot of them I've only posted once or twice.
& so what? I'm only posting in the referendum topic, & I'm sure the majority of
MN have this section hidden.
I wouldn't start a thread about the EU in any other topic as I know a lot of mumsnetters are sick of it - so yes, you will get the same names coming up a lot on here because only people who are interested in the subject will post.

I've posted on about a million referendum threads this past week - has anyone noticed a single poster other than Roses mentioning bananas?

Bert - you seem to be very smug and skipping from thread to thread being negative .

Why should anyone have to give blow to blow reasons or justify why they voted one way or another.

Remain don't like the leavers answered and leavers don't like the remain answers

If the EU was so marvellous why have other countries also decided to jump ship.

If and I know it's an if question but if in 10 years time, the NHS is better funded, schools are better funded, immigration is controlled, food, drink, jobs are secured will you admit you were wrong?

As it stands NHS is going down the drain, schools are losing money all the time, immigration is uncontrolled, jobs are being lost every day from big companies being sold off. And that is whilst we are in the EU

Nobody is saying that things will get better overnight but they can't get much worse for the people that voted leave !

Grassgreen: in brief, it was pointed out that OP has announced that her vote was based on at least two major premises that were wholly incorrect. When others asked why that mattered, Bertrand said that she'd been on various threads on MN saying how very happy she was about the referendum outcome, and that in the circumstances that is a little frustrating. OP then said she'd only post on two threads. Goudy pointed out that that is incorrect. It was OP who made the number of threads relevant.

Do try getting up to date with the thread before criticising.

Well, I make it about 45 threads for Bertrand, but that includes three Corbyn threads, one about a drunk MIL and one about (ahem) Gove's trousers.

Not sure I spotted any wonky banana threads though.

What relevance has how many threads the op is on ?

OP raised the point, don't get your knickers in a twist.

OP, you can find the answer using Advanced Search

BertrandRussell
Maybe you should just ignore me? I'm not forcing you to post on my threads or engage with me. You're choosing to.

Judy - ignor my first paragraph then.

I still stand by the rest of them

OP, some of the threads are listed in AIBU or Petitions or Chat.

but they can't get much worse for the people that voted leave

See this attitude is frightening. You've never visited a third world country? A place without a welfare state? You've not studied history and seen what life has been like in Europe for centuries?

As for life being hard for leave voters- presumably you don't mean the millions of baby boomers who voted leave who unlike me and my kids benefited from free higher education, affordable housing and fixed pensions. You didn't mean them, did you?

"f and I know it's an if question but if in 10 years time, the NHS is better funded, schools are better funded, immigration is controlled, food, drink, jobs are secured will you admit you were wrong?"

Absolutely. I have never wanted to be wrong more in my whole life.

If people make categoric statements then surely they should expect to be questioned about them? And if one group manages to bring about a significant change to other people who don't want that change, then surely the decent thing is to be able to explain why they made the decision and what they think will happen next? Surfer jet has said that she doesn't know what will happen next but she trusts our leaders, and has admitted that one significant reason for her vote was actually wrong. Shouldn't she be expected to explain that?

Surferjet, that's 16 threads within the EU referendum board. However, you have posted on several referendum threads on other boards.

I haven't seen Bertrand or anyone else demanding that people give blow by blow accounts of their reasoning. However, we're all entitled to discuss the reasons that people do give.

Nobody is saying that things will get better overnight but they can't get much worse for the people that voted leave !

They can, you know. Already the pound has gone down dramatically and businesses are pulling out. If you have a job now and it disappears as a result of Brexit, or if your chances of getting a job diminish, things can definitely get worse. And if you're getting brainless types demanding that you leave your home and shouting at your children for the crime of being brown, things are already getting worse.

Helmet - You've never visited a third world country? A place without a welfare state? You've not studied history and seen what life has been like in Europe for centuries?

Firstly you have no idea where I have visited!
Or what I have studied

Like I said you won't agree with my reasons for wanting to leave

I agree. But it does have relevance if other people think she is a one off poster and people are making assumptions about her based in one thread alone, rather than basing them on views she has expressed in multiple threads.

Nobody thinks that Bertrand.
Well, certainly I have not seen anyone expressing that on this thread.

I haven't seen Bertrand or anyone else demanding that people give blow by blow accounts of their reasoning

BertrandRussell
Surfer jet has said that she doesn't know what will happen next but she trusts our leaders, and has admitted that one significant reason for her vote was actually wrong. Shouldn't she be expected to explain that

That isn't a demand that every leave voter give their reasons, OP. It's a request that you explain your position in light of the fact that at least some of the reasons you have volunteered are based on your admitted ignorance of the facts.

I keep meeting people whose jobs are now at risk. Companies planning to move abroad. Futures on hold. Recession will hit the poorest.
I think that whatever you voted for, to feel happy and like walking on air right now is bloody HEARTLESS and SELFISH.

Helmet -
As for life being hard for leave voters- presumably you don't mean the millions of baby boomers who voted leave who unlike me and my kids benefited from free higher education, affordable housing and fixed pensions. You didn't mean them, did you

•   <strong>*Family Allowances Act (1945)</strong> - 5s a week for each child after the first.
  

•   <strong>*National Insurance Act (1945)</strong> - unemployment pay for six months and sick pay for as long as you were sick.
  

•   <strong>*National Insurance - Industrial Injuries Act (1946)</strong> - extra benefits for people injured at work.
  

•   <strong>*National Assistance Act (1948)</strong> - benefits for <strong>anybody</strong> in need. 'The Times' described it as: 'the last defence against extreme poverty'.
  

•   <strong>*National Health Service Act (1948)</strong> - despite opposition from doctors, who insisted on the right to continue treating some patients privately, Aneurin Bevan brought in the NHS on 5 July 1948. Doctors, hospital, dentists, opticians, ambulances, midwives and health visitors were available, <strong>free to everybody</strong>.
  

•   <strong>*1944 Education Act</strong> - 'Rab' Butler set the school-leaving age at 15, and introduced free secondary schools. Pupils took an '11-plus' IQ test that determined whether they went to grammar school (for academic pupils), secondary modern school (teaching practical subjects), or technical school (to teach practical skills).
  

•   <strong>*Town and Country Planning Act (1947)</strong> - set a target of building 300,000 new houses a year and 1.25 million council houses were built between 1945 and 1951. It also defined green belt land that had to be kept rural.
  

•   <strong>*New Towns Act (1946)</strong> - authorised the building of new towns at places such as Stevenage, Basildon, Newton Aycliffe and Peterlee.
  

•   <strong>*Children's Act (1948)</strong> - required councils to provide good housing and care for all children 'deprived of a normal home life'.
  

These are all BEfORE the UK joined the EU in 1973

Needabuggy, the immigration regulations don't prevent deportation and exclusion orders - particularly in the case of people convicted of murder and rape, which is what OP was writing about in the context of the right to deport criminals.

Er - That's why it was clearly a question. You stated things can't get worse- I'm telling you, they can.
I find it hard to believe anyone would argue that they can't.

Look, you believe the nhs and schools will be better funded in 10 years, jobs, food will be secure. Why don't you cheer us up and tell us how?

Recession will hit the poorest

The people who wanted to see change won't be the ones to who see change.

Unless it's a Norman Tebbit style change. No jobs where you are. No benefits, sorry. Get on your bike and ride to the places where there are jobs. Why employ immigrants when we have plenty of UK people to do that?

Did anyone see that survey about a hardening towards people on benefits? Be careful what you wish for.

Er what? You think I was saying that the eu gave baby boomers all their privileges? Read back and see what I actually said.

So.

For people to be considered informed enough to vote, they should have more than a broad-brush understanding of what subjects specifically?

Grassgreen, I think you've missed the point about the baby boom generation. You said that things couldn't get much worse for people that voted leave. Helmet pointed out that the baby boomers who represented a large chunk of the leave vote are not all people for whom things are bad and can't get worse. It's a straightforward factual issue, and benefits that were in place back in the 1950s and 60s are irrelevant to their financial position now.