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Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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RedToothBrush · 29/06/2016 16:48

And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1 Previous thread 1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2672388-Has-Boris-been-outmanoevered-Will-someone-please-tell-me-who-is-in-charge Previous thread 2

Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

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DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 09:35

Team May here too.

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 09:41

Two separate "anyone but Johnson" tickets Grin

I actually have a slightly warm feeling towards the odious mr gove this morning.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 09:41

Ooo social media!

www.facebook.com/TheresaMayForPM/posts/1349767708373332

A page just for Theresa May for PM. How wonderful.

And her statement piece

Today I will launch my campaign to become the Leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And I do so for three clear reasons.

First, following last week’s referendum, our country needs strong, proven leadership - to steer us through this period of economic and political uncertainty, and to negotiate the best possible terms as we leave the European Union.

Second, we need leadership that can unite our Party and our country. With the Labour Party tearing itself to pieces, and divisive nationalists in Scotland and Wales, it is the patriotic duty of the Conservative Party to unite and govern in the best interests of the whole country.

And third, we need a bold, new, positive vision for the future of our country - a vision of a country that works not for a privileged few but for everyone, regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.

The evidence of this need has been known to us for a long time. If you’re born poor in today’s Britain, you will die on average nine years earlier than others. If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white. If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else in Britain to go to university.

If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately. If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s too often not enough help to hand. If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home. These are all burning injustices, and I am determined to fight against them.

But the mission to make Britain a country that works for everyone goes further than fighting these injustices. If you’re from an ordinary, working-class family, life is just much harder than many people in politics realise. You have a job, but you don’t always have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about mortgage rates going up. You can just about manage, but you worry about the cost of living and the quality of the local school - because there’s no other choice for you.

Frankly, not everybody in Westminster understands what it’s like to live like this. And those people need to know that what the Government does isn’t a game: it is a serious business that has real consequences for people’s lives.

So over the course of this campaign, I will be making speeches, writing articles and arguing in favour of a new and radical programme of social reform. This programme - true to my Party’s proud philosophical tradition of One Nation - will include big changes to the way we think about our economy, our society and our democracy.

We believe in capitalism and free markets, for example, because history has shown them to be the best way in which we spread opportunity and improve social mobility. But that does not mean that capitalism, regardless of its form, is always perfect. Where it is not helping to provide opportunity for all, where it is losing public support, where there are gross abuses of power, we need to reform it.

And we need to think differently about the role of the state. Instead of thinking of it always as the problem, we should acknowledge that often it is only the state that can provide solutions to the problems we face. So yes, the state needs to be small, but it needs to be strong, particularly when it comes to national security, and it needs to be strategic, particularly when it comes to taking the economy in the right direction.

We have to be clear that there is more to life - and more to Conservatism - than individualism. We have to cherish not just our older institutions but those that are younger too, like the BBC and the NHS. And we have to restore one of the oldest principles of Conservative philosophy - the contract between the generations - so that young people get a fair crack of the whip.

And we need to contemplate not just changes to the way we think about our economy, our society and our democracy, but to the Conservative Party itself - because we can’t build a country that works for everybody unless we are truly a Party that works for everybody.

This is the kind of Conservatism I’ve always believed in and always stood for. And it is the kind of change I have always worked hard to make happen. As Chairman of the Conservative Party, I was among the first to say we needed to change, to become more open, inclusive and representative of modern Britain. As a Member of Parliament, I played a part in helping more female Conservatives get elected into the House of Commons than ever before.

As Home Secretary, I haven’t only overseen a fall in crime to its lowest recorded level, I have made it my mission to tackle injustice wherever I have found it. From Stephen Lawrence to Hillsborough, where there has been evidence of police corruption, I’ve exposed it. I’ve cut stop and search to its lowest ever level. I introduced the first ever Modern Slavery Act. Under huge pressure from the United States, I blocked the extradition of Gary McKinnon. And when I was told I couldn’t deport Abu Qatada, I flew to Jordan and negotiated the treaty that got him out of Britain for good.

Under my leadership, the motives of the Conservative Party will never be in any doubt. And our actions will be bold. We, the Conservatives, will put ourselves at the service of ordinary, working people and we will strive to make Britain a country that works for everyone - regardless of who they are and regardless of where they’re from.

I note here, that whilst she hints on people she does not get personal and her focus is about conservatism and the country not party politics.

I think that will go down far better with Tory Party members, but I'm not going to underestimate the Murdoch/Mail factor in this.

Johnson, still to declare I note.

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PlatoTheGreat · 30/06/2016 09:41

Looked at the newspaper this am the titles.
So aparently, France is now very happy to negotiate immigration stuff. They are talking about a 'clean slate' (What the BBC is reporting but even more biased).

They might be in for a shock. The expression 'clean slate' (Faire table rase) actually point to a very different direction. It points towards the fact the UK will be treated as any other country wanting to be part of the EEA.... 'Table rase' = no preferential treatment, no taking into account the past and the UK position in the EU.

Reading the newspaper atm is a nice exercise in being able to read between the lines and sort out what is the reality and what is very strongly biased information.

Chalalala · 30/06/2016 09:42

I think May is an awful person, so the fact that she does have a backbone is not necessarily a positive in my book...

Hamishandthefoxes · 30/06/2016 09:43

#team may

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 09:47

They're all awful people.

Maybe Crabb is not?

But the rest are dreadful.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 09:48
The time Gove said he didn't want to be PM.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581925/Tipsy-Michael-Gove-launches-Exocet-against-Boris-100-bottle-wine-flows-Mayor-no-gravitas-Theresa-May-no-friends-Osborne-fit-lead.html
The time Gove said, May has no friends, Johnson is shit and only Osborne fit to lead.

May seems to have found a friend. Chris Grayling, a Leaver, has said he will chair her campaign and do everything possible to get her the leadership.

He was obviously impressed with the Leave leadership then.

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RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 09:49

Crabb had dubious associations with 'gay cure' people.

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Chalalala · 30/06/2016 09:50

Plato I had a good old chuckle seeing that the Daily Mail was touting the French statement as "the EU beginning to crack on free movement"...

What he actually said is that the negotiations will be starting from scratch, and that the UK will now be negotiating from the outside. Whoop de doo.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 09:50

Guardian Feed:

This is from the Sun’s Tom Newton Dunn.
Tom Newton Dunn ‎@tnewtondunn
A text arrives from a senior Team Boris figure: "Gove is a c* who set this up form start". This is going to be bloody.

Hahahahahahahahahahaaha

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Nonreplicable · 30/06/2016 09:50

Is this not just a move by the ABB camp to take BoJo out of the race? Gove does not actually want the job, surely?

Chalalala · 30/06/2016 09:54

On the bright side, who cares about Labour's boring leadership challenge now!

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 09:55

www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/05/michael-gove-next-tory-leader

Interesting Gove profile from 2012.
I note. Very brief mention of Cummings. Hiiiiissssss Cummings.... My precious

It does mention Sarah:
There's some speculation that the decision will ultimately fall to his wife, the Times columnist Sarah Vine, but no agreement on which way she'll go.

"I think she adores being a Tory wife," says one friend. "The more pictures she can be in with Sam Cam, the better her life becomes." But another disagrees. "I've heard people say that, but I don't think she's a scheming Machiavellian political wife, pushing her husband's career." She has a funny way of going about it if she is, featuring marital anecdotes in her column that render him a faintly absurd eccentric.

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Hamishandthefoxes · 30/06/2016 09:56

I think they're all horrible, but this is funny. Shame about the country and everything but that's only a minor consideration when you can to pretend you're in the Oxford Union again playing student politics!?

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 09:58

"In the light of the current law, it is possible that a court might take the view that it is arbitrary and unreasonable and disproportionate, in the legal sense of those words, to base the vastly important decision to withdraw from the EU on the opinion expressed by a bare majority of people taking part in a referendum provided for in an act of parliament – but an act of parliament that makes no provision for the legal effect of that referendum – thereby ignoring the opinion expressed by a very large minority. Governments are governments of the whole nation, not of a favourable constituency."

I've been wondering about the legality of Brexit since before the referendum.

Forget the politics, Brexit could be unlawful

frumpet · 30/06/2016 09:58

Is it possible that Boris doesn't actually want the PM job ? If someone else gets it , they will have to deal with the shiity stick , Boris can go back ( for the time being) to playing the clown without worrying about dealing with anything remotely serious ?

MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 09:59

OOOOOOH I have just seen the news!

My nerves are frazzled from all this drama.

TheBathroomSink · 30/06/2016 10:04

Yes, frumpet I think there's a good chance Boris doesn't want it now because he never expected Leave to win, and now it would be hard work.

Gove, of course, said during the campaign that he wanted to leave the single market entirely...

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 10:04

May doing a Q and A
Guardian reporting this:

Q: You are home secretary, and responsible for immigration. And remain lost because of immigration. So why should people trust you to control it?

May says she has done this. She has sat around the table in Europe. And she delivered in Europe. Other people have delivered in Europe too. Like Boris Johnson. The last time he did a deal with the Germans, he came back with three nearly new water cannon.

I'm defo Team May

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Chalalala · 30/06/2016 10:06

looking at May's statement, looks like she is playing this well - she's positioning herself as the serious unifying candidate talking about substantial issues.

Meanwhile Gove's statement was a personal attack on Johnson, making it look like an internal fight among the Leave campaigners

Chalalala · 30/06/2016 10:09

Yes I think Gove wants to leave the Single Market. While May just said this:

May says you should not declare you red lines in advance. You should go into a negotiation looking for the best deal you can get. That includes progress on both. And access to the single market for services is important

Ok, joining the May bandwagon. But it hurts me.

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 10:09

Thread title looks prescient!

frumpet · 30/06/2016 10:12

Red , just choked on my coffee at nearly new water cannons !!!!

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 10:12

DoIt... I had a feeling after that email yesterday.

Q: What is your red line? Preserving access to the single market? Or curbs on free movement?

May says you should not declare you red lines in advance. You should go into a negotiation looking for the best deal you can get. That includes progress on both. And access to the single market for services is important.

Seals it for May for me tbh. Some common sense.

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