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Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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RedToothBrush · 29/06/2016 16:48

And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1 Previous thread 1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2672388-Has-Boris-been-outmanoevered-Will-someone-please-tell-me-who-is-in-charge Previous thread 2

Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

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whirlygirly · 30/06/2016 19:35

Red, Steve double has announced on his fb page that he's supporting crabb so there's another one there.

Globetrotter100 · 30/06/2016 19:38

340 slapping him siimulateously, including me...

Globetrotter100 · 30/06/2016 19:40
  1. The joy is spreading.
MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 19:40

'Although this thread has been great discussing things, instead of the other threads that have insults and recriminations flying about'

I'd like to third this. This thread has saved my sanity in the past few days. I'm in awe of all the knowledge (and good humour) in the face of a Brexited UK Tory-pocalypse.

JamieVardysParty · 30/06/2016 19:41

Heard that Edward Timpson is also supporting Crabb.

GingerIvy · 30/06/2016 19:41

Is there a link to the toilet story? I could use a giggle.

MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 19:42

Thanks for that tweet DoubleMum, I'm going to refer to them as the Puki (or 'cunts' if I'm feeling bi-lingual) from now on!

GingerIvy · 30/06/2016 19:43

Boris 'had 81 nominations'
BBC political editor tweets ...
Posted at
19:39
Sources close to Boris say he had 81 nominations and climbing last night, not far off the 111 needed
Laura Kuenssberg
bbclaurak
Sources close to Boris say he had 81 nominations and climbing last night, not far off the 111 needed
5:51 p.m. - 30 June 2016

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 19:44

Robert Peston‏@Peston

So am reliably told @BorisJohnson had promised Gove position of chancellor and EU Brexit negotiator

If true, puts another interesting twist in the pack of lies.

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DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 19:45

420. The joy is spreading.

The joy for Gove's strategists.

Sweet social media story there for them.

Gove is very much not afraid of bring unpopular.

Particularly with people who are never going to vote for him.

Being important enough to have hundreds of liberal remainers soend time pretending to slap him is quite something.

Hamishandthefoxes · 30/06/2016 19:46

Here's a link to the Michael Gove toilet story - unfortunately not the Beeb, but the photo makes up for it:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-gets-stuck-in-commons-toilet-on-first-day-in-new-job-as-chief-whip-9612203.html

Wordsaremything · 30/06/2016 19:47

Nick Cohen on c 4 now - living in lear's England....

Hamishandthefoxes · 30/06/2016 19:47

I think Lady Macbeth decided she wanted a shot at the glory now that she wouldn't be invited to Sam Cam's little soirees any more.

DoubleMum · 30/06/2016 19:48

You are most welcome Mitzy. Rather tickled my fancy. (ooh err!)

GingerIvy · 30/06/2016 19:49

Hamish thanks for the link Smile

howabout · 30/06/2016 19:50

Even more of a Boris fan now. Fell on his sword rather than risk splitting the Theresa May Eurosceptic light vote and letting Gove in. Agree Gove has been outflanked.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 19:52

Robert Peston‏@Peston
Sources tell me Gove urgently wooing @George_Osborne to stay on as chancellor if he wins.

Translation: I've talked to George Osborne. He's telling me that Gove is begging for him to stay on as Chancellor, because he desperately needs all the support and friends he can get right now. He's trying to work out whether its in his best interest to support Gove or whether its worth him taking the opportunity to get rid of Gove by being a back stabbing cunt too. If he doesn't support Gove then, the chances are that it will be a nail in the Gove Leadership Bid Coffin.

He's open to offers from Theresa/Angela if they'd like to give No 11 a bell.

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howabout · 30/06/2016 19:52

Our thoughts are
TM vs MG is a win for TM with the membership.
SC not at the races.
LF probably not been high enough profile recently?

Not sure who wins if it is TM vs AL?

Hamishandthefoxes · 30/06/2016 19:53

I think Boris knew that he would be blamed for the mess, knew he was seen as untrustworthy and a liar because of the constant lies, and be left sorting out the total mess which he caused.

I think he reckoned that he wouldn't try to style it out and just end up helping Gove.

MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 19:53

I don't think this much loved gif of Michael Gove falling over has been posted yet. I love seeing the numpty fall on his arse.

Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?
MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 19:55

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Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?
RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 19:55

The knives are out:

www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1648376065487132

I have obtained a copy of an email from Michael Gove to Boris Johnson, and you can read it in full below.

It was sent just after 6pm on Sunday. And as you can see it is Gove's proposal for changes to the draft of a contentious article written by Johnson for the Telegraph on the lessons of the Leave victory.

The article angered many Leave campaigners, because it was seen as Johnson rowing back from a commitment to control immigration - and because it implied that leaving the EU would be less radical than many of them believed

As you can see, Gove describes the article as "very very good". And none of his comments relate to immigration.

Nor does he correct Johnson's false assertion that the impact on the markets of Brexit was minimal.

His amendments are all designed to soften the perceived impact of the Brexit vote on Remainers and Scots.

Probably what matters most is that this shows how committed Gove appeared to be to the Johnson ticket

From: Michael Gove
Date: 26 June 2016 at 18:08:50 BST
To: Boris Johnson

Subject: Re: bj copy pls check

overall very very good

some thoughts below...

On 26 June 2016 at 17:29, Boris Johnson

This EU referendum has been the most extraordinary political event of my lifetime. Never in our history have so many people been asked to decide a big question about the nation’s future. Never have so many thought so deeply, or wrestled so hard with their consciences, in an effort to come up with the right answer. It has been a gruelling campaign in which we have seen divisions between family and friends and colleagues – sometimes entirely amicable, sometimes, alas, less so. In the end, there was a clear result. More than 17 m people voted to leave the EU – more than have ever assented to any proposition in our democratic history. Some now cast doubt on their motives, or even on their understanding of what was at stake. It is said that those who voted Leave were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration. I do not believe that is so. After meeting thousands of people in the course of the campaign, I can tell you that the number one issue was control – a sense that British democracy was being undermined by the EU system, and that we should restore to the people that vital power: to kick out their rulers at elections, and to choose new ones. I believe that millions of people who voted Leave were also inspired by the belief that Britain is a great country, and that outside the job-destroying coils of EU bureaucracy we can survive and thrive as never before. I think that they are right in their analysis, and right in their choice. And yet we who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming. There were more than 16 m who wanted to remain.

I WOULD NOT USE THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE They cannot be simply written off as the irrelevant victims of a binary choice.

INSTEAD SAY THIS

They are our neighbours, brothers and sisters who did what they passionately believe was right. In a democracy majorities may decide but everyone is of equal value

We who are part of this narrow majority must therefore do everything we can to reassure the Remainers. We must reach out, we must heal, we must build bridges – because it is clear that some have feelings of dismay, and of loss, and confusion.

I WOULD THEN CUT THE FOLLOWING..

I believe that this apprehension is wrong (though entirely forgiveable, given what people were told during the campaign), and based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place.

AND INSTEAD SAY

THAT IS WHY THE ONUS IS ON US TO BE INCLUSIVE, POSITIVE AND OPTIMISTIC.

{THIS IS GOVE} have changed the next line slightly...

At home and abroad, negative voices are in full cry while the reassuring realities are often overlooked. There has been no collapse in the stock market; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job and should be supported in his role.

Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century. We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. As for the future of the union with Scotland, I see no reason whatever for gloom. We had one referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon.

{THIS IS GOVE} Of course we must be sensitive to Scottish interests
As for our relations with Europe, I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live, to inter-marry; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer. The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK. Yes, the government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. There is every cause for optimism about the future; a Britain re-booted, re-set, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic referendum campaign whose lessons must be learned by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were in a sense speaking up for themselves. But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right.

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RebeccaNoodles · 30/06/2016 19:56

I love this thread.

Chalalala cognitive dissonance is exactly it.

ObiWanCannelloni · 30/06/2016 19:56

Johnson obv not going quietly ... His camp have given Robert Peston email from Gove sent at weekend suggesting changes to his Telegraph column... The column that lost BJ support as it was seen as going back on Brexit commitments....

m.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1648376065487132

ObiWanCannelloni · 30/06/2016 20:01

Red Xpost sorry Grin unbe-fecking-lievable eh? Johnson conspiring with Gove to bring down Cameron/Osborne who are prob conspiring with Gove to block Johnson who's conspiring to bring down Gove Shock