Andrea Leadsom - please stand for leadership!

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Anyone agree?

Chumming up with Arron Banks is a dark path to go down.

She's not going to be the PM.

Or we could have Theresa May who all along pretended to support remain (or actually did think remain is best not sure which is worse at this point).

I'd rather have the one who has the courage to say what she thinks. I disagree with her on gay marriage but that boat's already sailed anyway.

It was the people of Sunderland who voted Brexit who got us into this mess, along with the other voters in the north, Ghost.

Theresa May brought in the new anti slavery law, stopped stop and search, showed real empathy with Hillsborough relatives, etc. She is the only candidate in my book. I think we need someone female, calm and a little stern at the moment.

I think she's two faced abraiid and I don't trust her. I hope you're right however as she's the favourite.

Or we could have Theresa May who all along pretended to support remain (or actually did think remain is best not sure which is worse at this point)

Like many people she could see the risks on both sides and made a careful considered decision.
I'd rather have her as a PM than someone who makes an instant gut decision and ignores all the evidence.
If more people had thought like her we might not be in this mess.

I disagree. We need someone with a clear vision of a successful UK outside the EU.

The thing with Leadsom versus the others is that she's a complete unknown, nobody knows anything about her really. Except that she was Brexit, obviously.

I don't think someone whose strongest attributes appear to be being a mother and having the element of surprise is a great shout for PM. Especially not in these uncertain times.

Reluctantly, I think May is the best option we have.

I think that Brexit is a massive gamble, therefore someone with less parliamentary experience in comparison isn't a massive deal. Everything has changed, having hob nobbed round with Dave and his mates for a few years isn't that relevant for me.

It isn't that she isn't 'in the club' which bothers me, more than nobody had ever heard of her (besides her own constituents) prior to the Brexit campaign. I think the public should have more than " Referendum campaigner" as the major known fact about the PM.

Her running and becoming PM makes as much sense to me as Amber Rudd, if the situation was reversed.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think May is the right person, I agree there is a level of risk but personally I'd take it.

I don't think any of them are the right person. Cameron has been so spineless in resigning.

Gove is probably the worst case scenario PM, based on things known.

Gove is probably the worst case scenario PM, based on things known.

Now that I do agree with

Is city banker and fund manager the same thing, now then?

The question that the Conservative MPs and then the party members have to answer is who will do the best job for Britain in setting us on a new path to the future and can that person unite the party too?
Andrea Leadsom has significant experience of leadership and she appears to have a vision of how the Uk should develop its economy, which isnt surprising given her career.
For me, the only weakness is that she has relatively little experience of navigating the civil sevice.

If AL makes a team with Michael Gove, I think it will be a combination that history will remember well.

It was not a £600,000 BNP donation, it was a donation from a private citizen who appeared on the BNP members list a decade ago.

Well that's ok then.

She's also seemingly happy to take money off the man who did Nige's nice poster.

Who else does she take money off?

If AL makes a team with Michael Gove, I think it will be a combination that history will remember well

That makes me very, very nervous.

Mail on Sunday doing a hatchet job on Leadsom. She's a Brexit hypocrite, apparently.

May getting a sympathetic article about not being able to have children.

So that's a massive Fuck You from the Mail to Gove and Leadsom.

Are the few posters impressed by Andrea aware of her trade model for the UK? I've posted some of this on another thread, and thought it worth repeating here.

She wants to rip our entire current trading model and start again. She claims we're going to "set up tariff free trade with the 80% of the world that is not in the single market"; and "our friends in the EU will need, for the sake of their own jobs and businesses, to continue to trade tariff free with us." Within two years she says.

So that will be either on the Canadian or the general WTO model.

It's taken Canada 7 years to negotiate its world trade deal CETA and it's not yet finished. We have a lot more complicated EU ties than Canada.

We'd be out of the single market, so no free movement, so companies like Vodafone - who have stressed their need for freedom of movement for people, capital and goods - will leave.

She seems sure we'll get regulatory equivalence for financial services including passporting rights which mean that British banks can provide services across the EU from the UK but this is by no means certain - Switzerland and the U.S. do not have passporting rights. She doesn't appear concerned if we don't if we don't get them as she said "most large financial services businesses either already have a subsidiary in another member state or could quickly and cheaply create one". This would mean banks would have to relocate sections outside the UK with the loss of jobs.

Brexit's negative economic impact was widely forecast across the UK and across Europe, from the IMF, BoE, OECD, IFS, Oxford Economics, NIESR, EIU, PwC reports, from the city, business etc. In contrast, Leadsom claimed that a recession was 'barely credible'. Well, the signs thus far indicate that is where we are headed...

Either way, her plan is a step into completely unchartered waters - do you really want to take the risk that Leadsom is wrong?

You can have a tiny three person office in Luxembourg and register the financial product there but outsource investment management and settlements to London or NY or Asia .
I guess that's what AL means. It is very common already as Luxembourg = Low tax

Genuine question - do you need trade agreements before you can trade? And if you do, then how come we have so much US and Chinese products in our homes?
If we don't, then why does everyone make such a fuss about how long it takes to negotiate a trade deal?

I'm no expert, Vri - but I believe we have access to world markets via the EU at present.

theconversation.com/why-uk-could-be-doomed-to-years-without-proper-access-to-world-trade-61782

^Warning, written by "experts" that apparently we're all "fed up with."

IRevealed: how City minister Andrea Leadsom used controversial trusts to reduce her potential inheritance-tax bill

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She's one of those who lurch from one position to another. Just 3 years ago she asserted leaving the EU would be an economic disaster. Andrew Marr just pulled her up on this and I wasn't impressed with her answer. She came across as a smiling liar. At least May has no poker face.

But the EU doesn't have trade deals with China or the USA either. It has been negotiating with the US but the deal has not been signed and many EU countries are desperate not to have it - it is called TTIP. It was the agreement that was seen as a threat to the NHS because it wouldn't have allowed such a monopoly (the US sees healthcare as just another type of business)

So, if the eu don't have trade agreements with the China and the USA, but we still trade, what does that mean about the vital importance of the early negotiation of trade agreements?

Andrea Leadsom belongs in front of a parliamentary inquiry explaining why she participated in a highly dubious campaign for a referendum that has caused serious long term economic harm and fractured the country straight down the middle.

My prediction is that we will have this inquiry - but not for a few years, sadly.

In the meantime, the very last people who should be in charge of our country are any of the people responsible for this mistake.