Genuine q, what does the UK gain from this?

[dragonsarebest]

I voted Remain, but we lost and I want to be optimistic, so I'd genuinely like to know what benefits we can look forward to following Brexit. I'm really not interested in arguing, point-scoring or vague "taking control" statements, but I would like to understand what the positives will/could be for my family and me once the UK is officially out? Thanks.

What I'm personally going to do?

Well I'm going to carry on as normal.
Continuing to build my life back up after it all crashed around me last year - being as positive and pragmatic as I have been since I lost my health, job, marriage & house.
Continue providing for my 2 children & embarking on fresh challenges.
Continue looking to the future & acknowledging that as long as we're still breathing & alive things are not the worst they could be.

Why? What are you going to do?

I used to think that the euroskeptics would finally have to STFU. And that would be enormous bliss. Now I see they are instead re-energised to spout division, rancor, xenophobia (witness Farage's exit speech to other MEPs).

So now, nothing. We get jack out of Brexit.

Nobody knew what was going to happen when the Berlin Wall was torn down, or all the satellite countries left the USSR - but nobody thought they shouldn't do it!
There was massive upheaval and no doubt huge financial ruin for some if not most at least initially.

They were steps into the unknown. So is leaving the EU. Only history will judge whether it was worth it or not (and no doubt there will be disagreement on that too), but I believe it is a step worth taking.

I'm going to lie on the kitchen floor crying and rending my garments, obviously.

I think advantages to the fall of communism were slightly easier to identify, BMW6.

From our POV yes suburban - not to all their citizens in retrospect tho.

So, over 300 posts and no one has actually identified a benefit of Brexit yet. Everyone is agreed on this 'short term pain' but still the best anyone can offer is that we might get some hitherto unforeseen advantages at some point down the line. This all just seems like such a great, well thought out move...

Captain Two: Hinckley Point and lightbulbs (although both debatable).

@BMW6
So give us one outcome you hope for. You don't have to be right, just one thing that is "Wow that will change all our lives for the better if it happens & it's easily possible!"

Because Ridiculous to compare to collapse of Berlin wall or USSR.
Reunification of families, resurgence of genuine autonomy for at least countries, those things were the obvious outcomes of the historical events. Never mind that 6 billion tonnes of souveneur wall pieces got sold, boosting the economy. .

The Best option anyone can point to right now for Brexit is (Norway model) Britain ends up with EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW but with marginally smaller payments out, no return investment and very poor chance to influence or shape what is alleged to be an "undemocratic corrupt unstable" institution that unites out neighbours. Us and Them. Woohoo. Be still my over-excitable heart at that prospect.

Oh, and the cold war end was the other likely benefit we could predict. I grew up going to anti-nuke marches, watching movies like Threads etc.

Dragons, I will cling to those and thank the Brexiteers every time I switch on a light. Great!

Btw, thanks for starting this thread, OP. It is depressing to see that there really is no upside to all of this but it's grimly satisfying to see that the Leavers really do have absolutely nothing to back this up. It makes me more hopeful it won't actually happen!

Captain do you know what, I really and truly thought there would be more. Even if I personally didn't see them as being beneficial, I really believed that there must be something tangible that people had voted for. It's been an interesting conversation but honestly, it hasn't made me feel any better about things. I want someone to start a new political party called UKIN :)

The Berlin Wall coming down was about reunifying people. The Cold War Ending and the Iron Curtain falling was about releasing people from communism.

Yes there was a lot of anxiety and change, but hey it involved people having actual personal freedom and having democracy (you know the democracy we are all so fond of) - and on a national level it was outward looking and embracing.

Whereas Brexit is nationalistic, fueled by fear of others, is about isolation and being inward looking. Very old school old fashioned damaging ideas.

The two things really are opposites.

and you know if there was a list of real positive reasons on this thread, I'd be thinking, OK it didn't go the way I wanted, but still it's positive and will probably end in everyone being in a better place.

But that's not happening anywhere.

And all those small Countries that broke away from the USSR are all doing so well now aren't they!
They're all desperate to join the EU which is pissing Putin off & forcing his hand to start trying to take some of them back!
While the economy in Russia is slowing down as they lose 20 dollars a barrel on the oil they sell to China to try & keep them on side!
I appreciate they are 'free' to a certain extent but hardly a roaring success economically for any of them!

Apparently in ten to twenty years, everything is going to be awesome!

Well, I'm excited!

Yes, dragons, Leave voters kept coming on and saying they'd researched everything and come to a really intelligent, considered decision that Brexit was a good idea and I really thought that at least one of them would come on and tell us something that was going to be better. But it's truly nothing but sound bites. The same thing came up on Question Time and the Leave campaign couldn't say anything that was actually good about this either. It is absolute nonsense. They made two key promises - £350 million to the NHS and immigration control - apparently every Leave voter on MN knew these were false but somehow the fact that the campaign was based on deliberate lies wasn't a problem and there were loads of other reasons to vote Leave and it's all about sovereignty and control and it turns out that none of that means one single, solitary thing. It's all melted away into thin air and they can't even come onto a thread like this and say life in the UK will be better because... It's just 'life will be really hard, but let's wait and see because it might get better in a few years'. And part of this getting better apparently relies on an evermore right wing Tory party deciding to end austerity and boost employment rights...because that's exactly what Gove and his ilk are likely to do...

You're right Captain.

The main positive that I have taken from this thread is that although I still fundamentally disagree with the leave camp, it has felt good to have a reasoned and calm conversation "across the divide". In 9 pages there have only been a scattering of factually incorrect posts, it's predominantly been a difference of interpretation and opinion, and in some way that has been heartening. This whole thing has been so horribly divisive.

hesterton, rising food costs are likely to increase obesity - there is a strong connection between low socioeconomic status and obesity because it's cheap to eat badly. Unless it's only the unhealthy food which gets more expensive but vegetables are cheap, I don't see that as a benefit.

If the bring in rationing then it would help me shift this half a stone, so yay Brexit - but if I impose a limit on my toddler's access to cheese, he will probably rise up and eat me .