Genuine q, what does the UK gain from this?

[dragonsarebest]

I voted Remain, but we lost and I want to be optimistic, so I'd genuinely like to know what benefits we can look forward to following Brexit. I'm really not interested in arguing, point-scoring or vague "taking control" statements, but I would like to understand what the positives will/could be for my family and me once the UK is officially out? Thanks.

Purits
OP here. So how, in your view, does the UK benefit from leaving? I get that you don't like the EU but what do you see as the actual benefits of not being part of it? This is what I can't get answers to.

good question dragons and I will follow this thread with interest.

I can't see any benefits or upside of Leaving at all. But I'm an optimist by nature and would like to have a bright side to focus on. I just can't see any benefits at all.

Good news folks.

There are some good folks in Australia using Brexit to reignite the call for a Republic and to leave the Commonwealth.

(Do you think they'll do a Eurovision?)

What does the UK gain from this?

Sweet fuck all.

Brexit has inspired Republican mutterings in NZ too.

Put simply, it's the 'taking back control' thing. I want us to do what's best for Britain. I don't want to have to take into account 27 other nation's views all the time. I believe that free movement of capital is a dangerous thing - it puts control in the hands of corporations who have no allegiance to anyone and will pull factories at the drop of a hat.
I want someone here looking after the long-term future of the country, I do not want to abdicate that abroad.

I think it's a sensible question. my knowledge on this is really limited, but I've heard the following. I AM NOT SAYING THESE ARE CAST-IRON TRUTHS! These are just things I've heard or read.

1. I think the UK would be able to be more competitive with the EU. Within the EU there are limits to stop one country being more profitable in certain areas than others. I admit I have no links/stats or even facts to back that up.

2. We'd regain control of some of our shipping rights..? I think that's correct?

3. We'd be free to trade more with the rest of the world. There are definitely barriers to non-EU trading if you're inside the EU.

4. Er...

My town has lost its three biggest employers, they have closed down. The other big company has moved manufacture abroad. The largest employer now is the local private school, followed by the Council. My DD has already left here to find work in the prosperous south and I expect my DS to do the same in time.
The town is dying.
So, tell me again, what am I supposed to thank the EU for?

Purits - which format would you hope our relationship with Eu to take going forward?

so nothing specific then purits.

How is this "control" taken back? Free movement principles are looking set to remain. Do you mean, we have taken back control by no longer making up a big part of the EU decision making power? So rather than being part of shaping the EU, it will now be simply told to us?

Genuine question - I'd love to know what taking back control actually involves and looks like.

I want someone here looking after the long-term future of the country
Do you mean people like self serving "Blows with the Wind" Boris, or unelected/unelectable Farage? Who do you have in mind?

75% of current MP's think being in the EU is looking after the long-term future of the country.

Why are there others looking to break away too if the EU is so wonderful?

Living in a wooden house can be lovely but if someone else living there takes to starting fires in one of the rooms you might think about moving out.

My town has lost its three biggest employers, they have closed down. The other big company has moved manufacture abroad.
You don't think that the Tory party austerity policy has something to do with that? How did the EU close down these companies?

As far as I can tell, OP, we are benefiting from the complete implosion of all the major political parties in Westminster, including the removal of every party leader over the past two years. So, in the longer term, we may see fresh thinking and new parties emerge from the rubble. It would be really refreshing to vote for something other than "let's tax everything" and "let's privatise everything".

Short term, there are no direct benefits. Long term (I really hope), Britain will benefit from more trade and connections to the rest of the world. Because politicians will need to monitor immigration, they may actually pull their finger out to sort out services for the population we have here. And who knows? Without a British veto, perhaps the EU will be stronger and more coherent.

This is all wishful thinking, though. Which is why I voted remain. I suspect the EU is going to buckle under the Euro and we will be cleaning up the fall out whatever happens. In which case, we may as well enjoy the EU'S advantages in the meantime.

Purits Thanks for your response. Is there a specific situation or example of taking control that would demonstrate the benefit? I can see that your town is suffering but I just can't see how being out of the EU will help with that - what am I missing? Genuinely trying to understand.

I really do think the OP asked a sensible question. What are the benefits, the tangible benefits?

I'm not too optimistic about this, but just maybe there will be a few people who realise now that depending on the Daily Mail or Sun for 'facts' was a bloody stupid thing to do? That making 'expert' into a term of abuse was exceptionally foolish?

I have asked the same question on FB but getting v few answers. I would like to know whether the deal that is likely to be struck with eu is one that majority of leavers will be happy with. Immigration is a big issue, but apparently on a third of leave voters cited that as their biggest issue (though the the other two thirds were split between a range of issues).

I suspect whatever happens now, more rather than less people in the country will be disappointed (including remain voters in that).

Errol

It's hard to have a 'genuine' conversation in this atmosphere.

Every thread on which people might talk properly quickly gets clogged up with sarcasm and rhetoric.

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You don't think that the Tory party austerity policy has something to do with that? How did the EU close down these companies?
The biggest employer died in the early naughties, under Blair.
Look at the map. The Leave vote is concentrated in the parts of the country that have been failed and left to rot. We are not feeling any benefit of membership - you might be, but we aren't and we are a larger percentage than you.

So rather than being part of shaping the EU, it will now be simply told to us?

You do know that there is a huge Rest of the World out there, don't you? Do you really think everything starts and stops with the EU. This is what they have brainwashed you into.

Dacre I'm listening, and I think others are too.

Not sure. Have found the Treasury analysis where they compared current EU membership with 3 other models -

EEA (like Norway): £2,600 annual loss of GDP per household after 15 years
Negotiated bilateral agreement (like Switzerland) : £4,300
WTO membership: £5,200

Productivity and GDP per person all lower too, as costs outweigh benefit of leaving.

But £4,300 was completely dismissed as made by an "expert"

This series of short films is very interesting, though;

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/15/ukip-england-east-world-upside-down-video

The disaffected vote is far more worrying than the eurosceptic vote.

" He says that a lot of finance is likely to stay here as English is the language of finance"

Ireland.