Genuine q, what does the UK gain from this?

[dragonsarebest]

I voted Remain, but we lost and I want to be optimistic, so I'd genuinely like to know what benefits we can look forward to following Brexit. I'm really not interested in arguing, point-scoring or vague "taking control" statements, but I would like to understand what the positives will/could be for my family and me once the UK is officially out? Thanks.

It's not Marxist to suggest that people should be given a fighting chance to earn a survivable wage, pay their own rent and have some sense of security. It's just basic decency

It was the EU who pushed for higher minimum wages, working time directives, equal pay, maternity leave/pay, better housing standards ete etc. Its the Tory government who is for Zero hour contracts, no rent or housing controls, no rental tenure.....

If that was what you were fighting for, you are on the wrong side!

Dacre - indeed it is not, but it is Marxist to believe that overthrowing the established order will result in improvements for working people.

Who on the thread has advocated for that? We're analysing what's happened.

But if understanding what has happened and why isn't part of the process that the two parties are now embarking on, then both are incompetent

They ARE both incompetent. But posters, even on this thread, are asserting that they are suddenly going to be amazing champions of the disaffected. WHY?

It was the EU who pushed for higher minimum wages, working time directives, equal pay, maternity leave/pay, better housing standards ete etc. Its the Tory government who is for Zero hour contracts, no rent or housing controls, no rental tenure.....

If that was what you were fighting for, you are on the wrong side!

I'm lucky that none of this touches me directly. And I'm in London so quite insulated from the mood in the rest of the country. I'm trying to understand the whole vote.

And yes I think that you're right that a lot of people have voted as an undifferentiated protest against their general situation.

It was the EU who pushed for higher minimum wages, working time directives, equal pay, maternity leave/pay, better housing standards ete etc. Its the Tory government who is for Zero hour contracts, no rent or housing controls, no rental tenure.....

This is what makes me so very sad.
We're now left with the Tories in charge, and with the right wing of the Tories increasing in strength.

The very idea that the Tories are going to start doing all these wonderful things for the working class and unemployed is laughable.

But posters, even on this thread, are asserting that they are suddenly going to be amazing champions of the disaffected. WHY?

No, I don't think anybody has asserted that.

The distinction between "X will now happen", "X should now happen" and "There is now a valuable opportunity for X to happen" is quite important.

The very idea that the Tories are going to start doing all these wonderful things for the working class and unemployed is laughable

Yes, and yet seemingly lots of people seem to believe this, against all logic and experience!

The very idea that the Tories are going to start doing all these wonderful things for the working class and unemployed is laughable.

It was a half-arsed effort from DC to placate the wider party, who in turn were paying lip service to their constituents that brought us the referendum in the first place.

So let's not completely dismiss the Tory desire to save their own arses.

But the next GE is when it will get interesting.

Well I say that. Everything from now until the next GE and for a while after will be interesting.

when all that is going to happen is we will spend an unspecified number of years in a scramble trying to make Brexit happen and negotiate new trade agreements.

It is our politicians and civil service who will be doing this and it will be keeping them very busy. It will have to be balanced with other priorities. Logic tells us something's gotta give.

I hope the Conservatives use this as an opportunity to go against type.

Otherwise this disaffected who voted to leave the EU will pay the heaviest price for having an uncontrolled Tory govn fuck them over without any EU influence to mitigate it.

The UN appears to think the austerity measures and the consequences of them are tantamount to human rights abuse and that happened when we were within the EU. Can't wait to see what they'll do once we are no longer a member state. Certainly Wales and Cornwall are unlikely to see the funding they once received from the EU matched.

Link re the UN below

tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/CESCR/Shared%20Documents/GBR/E_C-12_GBR_CO_6_24399_E.docx

Oh, God... I think a lot of people are in Dacre's shoes. EU laws provided partial protection from the current government's brutal hold.

They did not know they were backing the wrong side...

You don't think the huge Westminster polling and voter insight machinery are scrambling all over this referendum result, conducting a post-mortem Funky?

They did not know they were backing the wrong side...

I think it's worse than that SnowBells. I think many of the people who have really suffered recently and are still struggling, didn't care any more. They literally thought 'it can't get any worse'. That's true despair.

Please do watch some of theses clips. I was up until 3am watching them all and then doing some more reading and it really has made me realise a few things that I didn't realise even last week;

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/anywhere-but-westminster

On at least one of those videos - Merthyr Tydfil- the point is explicitly made to intending Out voters that the EU does offer them more than it does most UK citizens, in terms of grant funding etc. All but one say "I don't care...."

Thank you to everyone that tried to point me that to potential positives to this situation (although honestly, as already mentioned, it does seem a bit short on actual, real benefit). I realise there are some things that we will not and can not all agree on but overall this has mostly been an interesting and informative conversation.

Haha haha laughable you think 0 hour contracts will let go now? Do you even know what you voted for? The EU wanted to get rid of them OUR Government didn't!

Dragons, there is a thread just started about trying to think constructively about the future which might be good.

I'll link in a sec...

You can't think constructively about the future when no-one knows what will happen tomorrow, let alone over the next few years. It's all guesswork and conjecture.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/2673649-What-Next?msgid=62031255

You can try User.

I much prefer pragmatism and concerted effort than handwringing & languishing in dramatic re-hashing.

Glass half full etc.

glass half-full

Of course! Everything will be fine as long as we indulge in a bit of positive thinking!

Cheers Mango, will take a look.

You can also try to fly, but positivity won't help you there either.

It's all very well sitting around going "everythings going to be fine" but in reality it isn't, for a lot of people, and for a long time.

Realism is useful here. Concerted effort is good, but what are you actually going to DO?

I can tell you what I'm not going to do!
Sit around whining.

Nothing is ever made better by lying on the kitchen floor crying tears of defeat and rending your clothes.

Leaving the melodrama aside, mango, I'd also be interested to know what you're going to do.