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Original poster

We need to pull together, grow a pair and GET ON WITH IT!

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iwantadragon · 28/06/2016 22:24

To listen to people talk, it seems we have turned into a nation of wimpy, whinging apologists.

''I'm so embarrassed''
''I'm so ashamed''
''I'm full of despair''
''I'm so sorry''
''My life is ruined'
''Please accept my apologies''

Stop bloody whinging and saying sorry.

How do you think this tail between the legs cowed talk makes us look to the rest of the world? Hmm
It's about time we all grew up, put on a united front and got on with things
Show everybody what we're really made of.

and breathe

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onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 29/06/2016 00:12

It's great to talk us up. But I do fear we have this narrative built on our past achievements that likes to make us think we are better than a lot of other countries

Indeed. We romanticise our past. The reality of who the British actually are is far removed from the narrative.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:13

If the vote went for remain, I, as an out voter, would not be acting they way there are now.

Well, of course not, beetroot. Because you would not be staring into the abyss that we are now, you would not be contemplating the Union breaking up, and you would not have a government and opposition in chaos.

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 00:14

I'm off to bed.

I still think we need pull together, but reading through some of these it seems that feelings are still too raw for that to happen just yet. Hmm

Still, It's been interesting.
Night everybody.

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beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:14

Because any normal person would have thought that the government had plans in place for both outcomes.

But no matter what, this will bring a better and fairer government about and the EU, I feel certain, will crumble now and for that I am relieved.

This change no matter how uncomfortable is better than sticking with what we had.

smallfox1980 · 29/06/2016 00:18

Keep telling yourself that. You know cause you demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the EU and what the alternatives are

Keep repeating you are free, to do as we tell you, you are free, to do as we tell you.

Cause essentially that is what you are doing

Or did you think there was a philanthropic reason the neo conservative ultra neo liberals lied to you to get you to vote out?

sorenofthejnaii · 29/06/2016 00:18

I do think that if there had been a 52% vote to remain, there would have been strong calls to negotiate a better deal on Brussels. And that Leave campaigners would have pointed out to politicians how close the vote was in constituencies and UKIP would have been on the rise.

But that is a sliding door. A sliding door Boris Johnson probably wanted as it would have been a massive shot across the bows to Europe as to how divided countries are.

This is not a shot across the bow. This is probably a cannon ball below the water line. Or a rebound that has hit our propellor and damaged the engine (I am going to get the most out of this analogy Grin )

IPityThePontipines · 29/06/2016 00:18

I needed this thread.

Not the OP, but the responses to it.

I'm not ok, I don't see why I should have to stay positive, when this is just one wave in a tide of effluent to come.

There is no plan. We have no great politicians.

We will end up with some kind of EEA Norway style deal which will please no one and stir up the far right even more.

I don't recall anyone saying we could get of the last global crisis by smiling a lot, so I'm baffled as to why they're trotting it out now.

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:19

I don't feel as if I'm staring into the abyss, what a dramatically melancholy thing to say. Im more hopeful about things than I have been in years. But I guess I've always been one to embrace change rather than stay within something that doesn't work for the sake of it.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:22

To be fair to me at no time did I mention Balls.
Grow a pair could refer to anything

What else do you want us to grow a pair of? Horns?

If by your reasoning, being optimistic isn't going to fix anything, by the same token neither is moaning about it.

Why do you choose the word "moaning"? It is very clearly intended to imply that people are complaining for no reason. You could, for instance, refer to people realistically recognising the problems with our current position. Can you tell us how closing our eyes to those problems will "fix anything"?

What's your plan?

I don't really have to come up with one, seeing that I didn't vote in favour of this mess. if I did, my plan would be for Parliament to recognise that the whole referendum was stupid, announce that they're going to ignore it, and tell the Leavers to stop being so bloody stupid.

What's your plan, OP? You've been asked several times what we should get together about, and you still haven't come up with anything.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:24

Because any normal person would have thought that the government had plans in place for both outcomes.

No, any normal person would have thought that politicians leading the Leave campaign wouldn't lie quite so blatantly, and would have had plans in place for what should happen if it won - given that it was always obvious that Cameron would have to resign in that eventuality.

So, beetroot, what do you think the plan should be?

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:25

How strange that people are moaning about the "grow a pair" saying as it's usually very popular on mumsnet.

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:26

Ehhhmm wasn't Cameron the one that called it in the first place.

A new government will of course be formed and we will go forward.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:28

You just carry on mouthing cliches, beetroot: I think we can all see that you are wholly unable to come up with one concrete reason for feeling optimistic.

If you were looking at being made redundant because your employer has to relocate outside Britain, or if you were the target of racist abuse because of this decision, would you be embracing change?

MotherOfBleach · 29/06/2016 00:29

Once someone tells me what we are pulling together behind, I will consider it. As yet, I look to Westminister and see a leaderless heap with not a scrap of a plan between them.

There's nothing for me to pull together behind and until there is I'll continue whinging and shaking my head in wonderment at the sheer stupidity of it all.

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:31

So we should just ignore that fact that more people in the country are unhappy with how things were than not? The vote clearly showed that.

NoBetterName · 29/06/2016 00:31

The petition for a second referendum was started by a "leaver" before they thought they would win. It says enough about his the leave campaign would have reacted if the tables were turned (and it wouldn't have been to magnanimously hold your heads up and say "well the better campaign won")

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:31

Its not even been a week for god sake:/

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:32

wasn't Cameron the one that called it in the first place

What's the relevance of that?

Obviously a new government will be formed. What it will go forward with is (unless it has the sense to jettison the referendum decision) higher taxes, more cuts, many fewer jobs, and a mountain to climb by way of negotiations. And at the end of that the Brexiters will still be complaining bitterly because there will be no difference in terms of immigration, the NHS will be gone or on its last legs, and we will be more at the whim of the EU than ever whilst having zero influence on its decisions.

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:34

How on earth do you know whats going to happen either Judy?

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:34

So we should just ignore that fact that more people in the country are unhappy with how things were than not? The vote clearly showed that.

No it didn't. Can I point out again that there are 65 million people in the country, and 17 million voted leave: that makes them the minority. And a number of those people voted that way because they were unhappy about the NHS and immigration and foolishly believed the rubbish that the Leave campaign spouted about that.

NoBetterName · 29/06/2016 00:35

"more people in the country"

No more people resident in the UK who were citizens of the UK, commonwealth or Ireland. Not more people IN the country.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:36

How on earth do you know whats going to happen either Judy?

Because I read the facts, I look at the evidence of what has happened only since Friday, and I use my brain. How about you, beetroot?

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:38

what facts? who's facts?

round and round and round we go.

Don't be so rude a patronising Judy.

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:38

beetroot, you've been asked several times what it is you think is going to happen that is going to make everything so wonderful, and you are unable to answer. That isn't your fault, because the Leave campaign never came up with any answers. Doesn't that shake your optimism just the teeniest bit?

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:40

I'm not being rude or patronising, rather the contrary, beetroot. I'm asking you to say why we should all be so optimistic. It's hardly an unreasonable question.

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