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We need to pull together, grow a pair and GET ON WITH IT!

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iwantadragon · 28/06/2016 22:24

To listen to people talk, it seems we have turned into a nation of wimpy, whinging apologists.

''I'm so embarrassed''
''I'm so ashamed''
''I'm full of despair''
''I'm so sorry''
''My life is ruined'
''Please accept my apologies''

Stop bloody whinging and saying sorry.

How do you think this tail between the legs cowed talk makes us look to the rest of the world? Hmm
It's about time we all grew up, put on a united front and got on with things
Show everybody what we're really made of.

and breathe

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NoBetterName · 28/06/2016 23:50

What's done is not done. A referendum is not legally binding. It is advisory. It is not the same as e.g. an election.

Some of us have large percentages of our family who had no right to vote in the election and yet despite being highly educated, house owning, higher tax-rate payers with children who have British nationality, we were effectively voiceless in this referendum. As were millions of UK citizens who are not living in the UK and have not lived in the UK for 15 years.

The whole referendum was heavily biased towards the leave vote and even then, you achieved a majority which was questionably significant. Had the rules been defined to be the same as those for a European Parliament election allowing many more of the stake-holders involved to actually have a vote, the result would have been very different.

People need to stop this idea that it is Leave vs Remain. There was Leave, there was Remain and there was a third group who had no right to vote Angry

GarlicStake · 28/06/2016 23:53

It's like being a passenger in a car crash.

Yeah. You're driving, Leavers. How are you going to get back on course?

Oh, that's right. Your plan was "wait and see".
Very professional.

PringleLicker · 28/06/2016 23:53

beetroot the difference is that if remain had won then your 'side',although having lost, would at least have known what happens next, ie no change. All we have at the minute is uncertainty and confusion and seemingly no one with a clue what happens next.

sorenofthejnaii · 28/06/2016 23:55

All we have at the minute is uncertainty and confusion and seemingly no one with a clue what happens next

I think the phrase we should use is 'it'll be fine'. Wasn't that the basic economic argument in the campaign?

windygallows · 28/06/2016 23:56

There is nothing more depressing than seeing those expressing factual concerns about the current scary reality of our situation being talked down by uninformed posters spouting pointless platitudes that only serve to make them feel better.

If we just keep repeating cliches to ourselves or make statements as if WE are going to fix this (eg. 'let's get on with it') will things get better? Will you be negotiating those new trade agreements? How are you 'getting on with things'. Let's just keep barking out things like 'What's for you won't go by you' and hope someone else will fix it all, right OP?

NoBetterName · 28/06/2016 23:57

and those who had no vote, now need to decide whether to give up their nationality (and with that, their freedom to e.g. move back home at some point to deal with ageing parents etc), or whether to keep their nationality and risk split families etc (in our case, dh has one nationality, I have another (one of us is UK) and the dc, we have just found out, thankfully were automatically citizens of both countries since birth). We have no idea what the status of resident EU nationals will be and given the previous lies, no reason to believe the anything the "leave" campaign promise about rights to stay.

windygallows · 28/06/2016 23:57

Oh and yes 'it'll all be okay' - or how about 'if it's not okay then it's not over.' I like that one too!!! Funny little saying to make us feel better about our economy that's tanking. But no worries --- it'll all be okay! (of course totally reliant on SOMEONE ELSE to make it okay!!!!)

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 28/06/2016 23:58

What are we made of? One thing is - we don't make us much stuff as we used to.

Yes I'm curious to know what we are supposedly made of too! As far as I can see we are just normal everyday people the same as the rest of the world - no more special, no more talented and no more hard working. And that's right, we don't make much stuff anymore because we live in a global world with a global economy where we are competing against workers in other parts of the world who work longer hours, harder and for less pay than us in countries where land is cheaper than ours. Manufacturing in the UK has had it's day.
OP when you say we should get on with it - well, I was getting on with until a week ago, really getting on with it, working hard, looking after my family ... then this utter debacle happened and now I find I don't have the spirit to 'get on with it' anymore. I want to say 'you leavers made this mess, you clear it up' but that would be ungracious. .

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 28/06/2016 23:58

Is this what you had in mind op?

windygallows · 28/06/2016 23:59

Brilliant cartoon!

PringleLicker · 28/06/2016 23:59

soren that's right. I feel better already.

beetroot2 · 29/06/2016 00:00

That Pringle is again down to the sheer arrogance of an out of touch government who were supposed to do their jobs as "public" servants.

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 00:01

f we just keep repeating cliches to ourselves or make statements as if WE are going to fix this (eg. 'let's get on with it') will things get better?

If by your reasoning, being optimistic isn't going to fix anything, by the same token neither is moaning about it.

What do you hope to achieve by moaning?

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 00:02

What's your plan?

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GarlicStake · 29/06/2016 00:03

So why did we vote to give that government full control of everything, without checks & balances, beet?

sorenofthejnaii · 29/06/2016 00:03

As far as I can see we are just normal everyday people the same as the rest of the world - no more special, no more talented and no more hard working

No, you got the narrative wrong. We're British. We're the best at loads of things. A plucky island race full of tradition.

It's great to talk us up. But I do fear we have this narrative built on our past achievements that likes to make us think we are better than a lot of other countries.

NoBetterName · 29/06/2016 00:06

Weeelllll, Iwant, it looks like many people either in the Remain camp, or in the Voiceless camp have started formulating plans and getting on with it. Unlike the people in the Leave camp, who are still busy telling the other sides to get on with it and stop moaning. There's more activity from the first two camps and less from the latter imo.

PringleLicker · 29/06/2016 00:06

I don't dispute that beetroot - although I feel the Leave campaign ought to have had a plan too - I was just trying to point out a difference in the situation from my point of view.

GarlicStake · 29/06/2016 00:06

narrative built on our past achievements that likes to make us think we are better than a lot of other countries

Well, most of those past achievements were consequences of exploiting & robbing other countries. So I guess we did think we were better.

Eigg · 29/06/2016 00:06

It's not moaning. It's political debate.

This is a democracy. Arguing about important points is what we are meant to be doing.

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 00:07

Yeah, because panicking is really productive.

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sorenofthejnaii · 29/06/2016 00:07

If by your reasoning, being optimistic isn't going to fix anything, by the same token neither is moaning about it

Now that's a good question. What does 'debate' on here achieve and what effect does it have on politicians?

I hope that it makes UK politicians aware of the depth of feeling, worries, hopes, fears, etc that people have. I hope that whoever negotiates a deal understands that many people have been engaged about this.

Who knows if social media makes a difference?

NoBetterName · 29/06/2016 00:10

We're not so much panicking as systematically going through our options and looking at realistic outcomes and possibilities (whilst expressing discontent at having to do that and having been given NO RIGHT TO VOTE in a referendum that affects us). What are the Leave people doing, apart from telling the others to shut up and put up?

JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 00:11

The People of Great Britain were given a vote to either get out of or stay in a bureaucratic dictatorship.

No they weren't. Nowhere on my ballot paper did those words appear. Nor was I ever stupid enough to think that was what I was voting for.

The majority voted to get out.

No they didn't. Number of "People of Great Britain": 65 million. Number of people voting leave: 17 million. That's not a majority.

GarlicStake · 29/06/2016 00:11

OK, here's a 'proper' issue. Has anybody thought about TTIP, and the other big trade agreements whose acronyms I've forgotten?

You know, the TTIP that the EC has been delaying, largely to protect what's left of the NHS and workers' rights.

The one the Coalition was ready to sign, without amendments, over two years ago.

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