to be sad that CORBYN is being asked to go…

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The vote of no confidence results are in and they want him to step down. I don't believe he has done anything wrong but he is seen as the wrong person to lead the party forward. He isn't but he COULD have been great.

It's a pity but realistically, he can't lead his party if almost none of his MPs will follow him, even if the party members want him.

I like him, he reminds me of an old Geography teacher I had. However, I can't see the home counties voting him in.

Does he have to go?

I like him. Down to earth and no bullshit.

His new members never turn up to meetings or help in my CLP.

He isn't a party leader. He is I'm sure an excellent constituency mp. But he hasn't got what it takes to lead the party. Plus, the information coming out about how he mismanaged and almost undermined the labour remain campaign is intensely worrying. For labour as a party to actually achieve power it is necessary to appeal to the floating voters along the centre line. He is strongly backed by socialist worker party and momentum. They are more akin to revolutionary socialists and have never been remotely interested in the Labour Party having wider appeal.

I hope Corbyn goes, along with his aides. For him to stay would be disastrous. We would be looking at the Labour Party being wiped out of parliament, leaving the rising right free rein to continue fucking up the country.

The guy is a breath of fresh air.

he COULD have been great But he wasn't, he was really really bad. Do you want the Labour party wiped out and replaced by UKIP? If he doesn't step down the 172 MPs that voted against him will have to start a new party with a proper leader or accept decades of Conservative rule.

Doe nobody find it strange that the media are concentrating more on Labour than the actual Conservative Government that is supposed to be leading the Country through this crisis. It's almost as though they want the spotlight off their golden boys.

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Isn't the Chilcot report being released on the 6th July?

I find the whole thing really sad and the actions of the Labour MPs quite sickening. Back to voting green :(

I agree he isn't a good party leader. It's a shame he isn't. I think to be a party leader you need to be a bit of a ruthless B'stard. Oh, and a liar :(

He wouldn't ever be voted prime minister. That's blindingly obvious. Politics is about actually winning support from the majority and gaining office otherwise all good intentions are so much hot air.

I strongly suspect those 'new' members were mainly mischief makers or tories.

He is,by not resigning, single handedly destroying our party.

I like Corbyn. I find the sight of him comforting. A bit like when you go out and have a really shitty drunken night, and break up with your boyfriend- and then you ring you dad up in tears and he comes to pick you in up in a Volvo.

He was never given the chance to be a good party leader. He was never properly backed by his party and never given a voice in the media.

A breath of fresh air?

He's softly spoken, yes, but what can you tell me that's so fresh that he's actually said?

He has literally ZERO new ideas: his politics is based on issues of the 1980s. He has nothing to say on housing, education, the economy, the NHS - I've heard literally nothing new or constructive come out of his mouth. There is no policymaking going on. Lots of walkabouts and chat and rhetoric about connecting with ordinary people, but his team do no research, take no interest in the policy issues ordinary people are interested in - they literally revolve in a very limited social media and activist bubble.

You tell me, what are his radical big ideas on the future of housing; pensions; the ageing population and economic rebalancing; the banking bubble; the huge challenges ahead in foreign policy; women's equality; children's lives and children's services; how to fund and run the NHS; restructuring primary and secondary education?

I've searched long and hard for them, and I tell you there aren't any there. He is not interested in that stuff; he does no policy work and neither do any of his team; he finds out about nothing; he is completely inflexible. A bit of crowd-pleasing waffle about the evils of capitalism, and that's it.

No solutions, no hard thinking, no actually finding out about what real people's problems are. And he is not available to or interested in the majority of his MPs either, or in listening to what they have to say about what's happening on the ground.

(Something which is now coming home to roost, since many of those voting no confidence in him have been desperately trying to make it work and get him to listen to what is needed and what they hear on the streets.)

I love Corbyn. I won't vote Labour if they get rid of him. I'll go back to the Greens. He is the last decent MP.

Mass resignations coming a week before the Chilcot Report is published makes me more than certain that they want him out of the way before he can. make a move against Blair and Blairites - extremely suspicious.

I'm glad i'm not the only one thinking along those lines TheWernethWife It all seems very suspect.

As has been said on the other Corbyn thread, it's all well and good having lovely ideas about what you would do if you are in power, but they key is you have to BE in power to be able to implement them.

Corbyn won't get Labour into power in a month of Sundays.

He was never given the chance to be a good party leader, he was given a year and if it has to be handed to him on a plate then he doesnt deserve it. Name one leader that ever gets given a good chance? A great leader carves out his success himself and doesn't sit around moping about why no one will be nice to him.

I'll be disappointed if/when he goes - he was the one guaranteed way to keep the Tories in power for decades. He is weak, useless, has no policies to speak of, and would appear to be voiceless as well. He's a man out of time - his time has long gone, and he hasn't moved forward.

He's not voiceless at all, the media have just deliberately not given any publicity to the work he's been doing, and have chosen only to publicise the views of those against him, sadly. He didn't stand a chance.

then he's not sufficiently media-savvy, theliverpoolone, or his advisors aren't. Most politicians don't find it hard to get their opinions out there and the leader of the Labour party should find it easy, if they want to be heard.

I'm glad, I didn't want him as leader in the first place. His approach to policy appears to based on philosophy and theory, nothing definite and that just isn't going to cut it with the electorate.
The fact is hard core socialism causes fear in many who remember the days of 3 day weeks, general strikes, high unemployment, instability in government. All of this nudged voters to the right and far right and this also causes instability by ostracising the centre and left.
The centre may be boring but it's consistent and moderate in policy approach and right now we're are in dire need of that stability.