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to be sad that CORBYN is being asked to go…

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elodie2000 · 28/06/2016 17:50

The vote of no confidence results are in and they want him to step down. I don't believe he has done anything wrong but he is seen as the wrong person to lead the party forward. He isn't but he COULD have been great.

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bkgirl · 29/06/2016 21:55

He is a good decent person and student unions around the country are rallying behind him. :) Angela Eagle is being sold to us as a unifying candidate. Truth is her pals are Blairites and panicking about the Chilcot enquiry coming out next week (6th July)
Here are some of the reasons why AE is a bad choice and Corbyn sounds better...

  1. Angela Eagle voted for the Iraq War.
Corbyn voted against this war.
  1. She voted against an inquiry into the Iraq War (Chilcot).
Corbyn voted for this inquiry.
  1. Angela Eagle DIDN'T vote against the Welfare bill:
The cuts include child tax credits and the household benefit cap. Corbyn voted against the Welfare Bill. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/these-are-the-184-labour-mps-who-didn-t-vote-against-the-tories-welfare-bill-10404831.html
SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 21:59

Student Unions are exactly where he should be. He's great at giving speeches to rallies. Being a competent party leader or getting his party into government ...

bkgirl · 29/06/2016 22:02

Angela Eagle also voted FOR tuition fees!

bkgirl · 29/06/2016 22:03

I think he will be a good leader when he cleans out the Blairites who quite frankly sold out their constituents.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/06/2016 22:07

Well Ken Livingstone has spoken out in support for Jeremy

It gets better for the Tories by the minute

Have to agree with Cameron the country does not need this at the moment

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 22:08

I'm afraid I don't really think he is a good decent person. He lost any of my support when he said that it would be "civilised" to explore legalised prostitution. It's not my kind of politics or my kind of feminism to adore old white male saviour figures who think any form of prostitution of women can be "civilised". Props to those who do, but it's not for me, and I'm afraid I don't think indulging in ego-massages from Momentum whilst the country goes to hell in a handbasket is admirable or shows leadership qualities.

SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 22:09

Have you ever considered that you're the one in the wrong party?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/06/2016 22:13

Was that to me

No not at all

If what I believed in was as left as Jeremy's I would be a member of the Socialist Labour Party

SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 22:14

No, to bkgirl, who does sound like she'd be happier in the SWP or something similar.

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 22:15

What, me? Legalised prostitution is a neoliberal fixation. Doesn't seem to me to be so left-wing, but then a lot of what Corbyn says is ideologically incoherent rather than principled, and not particularly socialist at all.

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 22:16

Ah, OK!

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 22:17

He's coming across as more and more odd as the week goes on.

His friends and supporters keep going on about the 250,000 labour members who voted for him, don't they realise there are millions of voters out there? He will never appeal to most of them, if he stays leader Labour will split. His Referendum effort was abysmal.

He's wore a new suit, I noticed today and buttoned his shirt up so he must be seriousHmm

He's starting to remind me of Thatcher who hung in for dear life when ever man and his dog were telling her to go. It's embarrassing!

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 22:19

Even Thatcher knew when the jig was finally up! Grin

Kimononono · 29/06/2016 22:20

He has made the tory party back track on quite a few important Issues eg, tax credits cuts, disability benefit cuts and management of Saudi prisons. I think his half assed approach to the brexit was because he didnt really support it as before he was known to be some one that wanted to leave.

I wonder how much is to do with him calling for Tony Blair to stand trail for war crimes if the chilcot report reveals he should.

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 22:20

I think Corbyn will be carried out in a straight jacket, he'll be crying and shouting "I don't want to go, the people neeeeeed me".

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 22:22

Kilmo I thought it was the Lords who made the Tories backtrack on those issues. They voted against the bills.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/06/2016 22:23

Then if he didn't want to support the remain campaign why did he lie

Because then he would have faced a leadership battle something he wasn't expecting

He is still able to speak out about Blair from the back benches

SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 22:23

I'm having a day of being vague on political threads Grin

'His friends and supporters keep going on about the 250,000 labour members who voted for him, don't they realise there are millions of voters out there? He will never appeal to most of them'

Ah but that's all a media conspiracy apparently. Presumably all those Labour MPs are just trying to get rid of him because they're jealous of his charisma and his popularity with the electorate.

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 22:24

Kimono, it's nothing at all to do with Chilcot and everything to do with him having been an awful leader, and the PLP having been furious that the leaked documents show what they already suspected, that he sabotaged the Remain campaign because he is himself a Eurosceptic. And they can see that if they want to save any remote chance of winning back the possibility of staying in the EU they need to win with a new leader whilst the Tories are reeling from the aftershock of Brexit.

FFS Corbyn didn't make Osborne backtrack on anything, his own internal party infighting and the media did! Corbyn had nothing to do with it!

SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 22:25

Show me when he made them backtrack on anything. Him, not pressure from within the Tory party or pressure from outside parliament.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/06/2016 22:25

No Sonic it's because they are all Tory-lites Hmm

SonicSpotlight · 29/06/2016 22:30

Who apparently don't like their jobs because they're risking deselection to try and get rid of him.

bkgirl · 29/06/2016 22:41

CarolineNightmare Wed 29-Jun-16 22:08:21
I'm afraid I don't really think he is a good decent person. He lost any of my support when he said that it would be "civilised" to explore legalised prostitution. It's not my kind of politics or my kind of feminism to adore old white male saviour figures who think any form of prostitution of women can be "civilised".

Right - totally annoyed with that! Ok who is not a Blairite, didn't vote for welfare cuts or against tuition fees and was against the Iraq war and pro Chilcot?
Who can I back?

bkgirl · 29/06/2016 23:01

Don't tell me anyone trying to get Blair out of trouble, I think that man cost so many people their lives. I cannot stand him.

herethereandeverywhere · 29/06/2016 23:05

He will never achieve a labour party in power. I said it at the time he was made leader and his performance over the last 12 months has only affirmed this.

We may not like Blair (I was Blairite until the Iraq war) but he achieved the balance between left wing social conscience and electability. The Labour party needs to be electable else (at best) it's just a machine for producing opposition soundbites.

Aside from the extremity of his left wing views he is a woeful leader. In a time when I have looked to labour for an answer to the Tories vice-like grip I've seen reluctance to communicate clearly and not a single novel policy on anything. The Tories tearing themselves in two over Europe was the perfect opportunity to gain advances after the last general election wash out. With Corbyn fiddling whilst Rome burned we now see the elected MPs who can see sense trying to hold a mirror up to him. Corbyn has his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears. I absolute despair of what has become of my party (life-long labour supporter).