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to be sad that CORBYN is being asked to go…

106 replies

elodie2000 · 28/06/2016 17:50

The vote of no confidence results are in and they want him to step down. I don't believe he has done anything wrong but he is seen as the wrong person to lead the party forward. He isn't but he COULD have been great.

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 28/06/2016 19:07

Yes yabu

He can not lead the party he is stuck in the 80's and most importantly he isn't popular with voters only party members what use is that in the next election

CremeEggThief · 28/06/2016 19:13

I am sad, as I like and respect him and personally share many of his views and ideals, but I have always thought he is too leftwing for the British public to take to. I am shocked and appalled at the disloyalty and treachery shown to him now, by people he must have known and worked closely with for years. It really puts the Labour party in a bad light and makes them come across as more divided and chaotic than the Tories, even at the present time. It is worrying that there is such a massive gulf between the PLP and grass roots membership. As much as I would like him to stay on, I think he should resign for his own sanity. How can you work effectively knowing so many colleagues have turned against you?Sad

incywincybitofa · 28/06/2016 19:29

I don't like some of his views
I don't vote Labour
I do think the Left are not represented in politics without him.
I also think he was the closest thing to open and honest in the whole Remain campaign.
I also think that just like they were with the Leave vote, the Labour party will be surprised at the bite back from their supporters outside of the Home Counties if he is ousted.
I am in two minds about whether this is an attempt to "bury bad news" next week to paraphrase a lovely Labour aide or whether he was only ever a leader until they got their act together and decided who they wanted.
I would be really sad to see a return to the Labour politics of Blair with Campbell.

burdog · 28/06/2016 19:32

He's like that annoying colleague that thinks they're so good at their job that they don't have to bother with being pleasant to everyone around them. When, in fact, you need to do both. I'm not saying that JC is horrible, not at all. What I am saying is that there are two aspects to his job: managing his party and dealing with Parliament, and managing the public. He's good at one, and treats the other aspect with utter contempt. When you look at other politicians who can do both like Obama, he pales in comparison.

If it's true that during the referendum he didn't bother to come to the northeast, I'm furious. So much for his love of the people if he couldn't be bothered to come to one of the Labour heartlands.

OllyBJolly · 28/06/2016 19:50

I think the whole argument about Corbyn not being able to win an election is academic - there is no chance on earth the current PLP (and PPCs) are electable in any form of majority.

The Labour Party have been presented with a huge - absolutely bloody huge-opportunity to win back some lost ground. Instead they just eat each other and blame and scapegoat. I've been a Labour supporter all my life (and was a member) but this current collection of individuals disgust me.

Their wipe out in Scotland was amazing to watch. Such a sense of entitlement that anyone dared take THEIR seats.

I had high hopes of Corbyn but the guy never had a chance. The best thing that could happen is that the party re-elect Corbyn, ditch the PLP careerists and get back to what the Labour Party stands for.

peachpudding · 28/06/2016 19:56

Why is he in the Labour party, none of his supporters are labour. They all call themselves members of momentum not members of Labour. Even on MN posters seem to support Corbyn but be greens, communists or something else, not Labour.

NashvilleQueen · 28/06/2016 20:02

Lifelong labour voter here. I don't think he's remotely a nice guy. He has little new to say, turned on rebellious members with staggering hypocrisy after a career of not towing the party line, he is going to split the party now because he refuses to go even tho he can't even put together a shadow cabinet. I think he's supremely arrogant actually.

CaveMum · 28/06/2016 20:07

theliverpoolone Corbyn has had plenty of opportunity to get his views across - he speaks at PMQs every week, which is broadcast live to the nation.

Like it or not, these days a politician has to be media savvy and know how to use them to get his viewpoint across. He has treated the media with contempt and because he won't engage they have written their own stories, much like the situation between William and Kate and the media.

Halfpastthelegofmyshirt · 28/06/2016 20:34

He refused to do a head to head debate for the referendum. He only likes debating with people who agree with him. And that documentary showed him in a pretty bad light...

If Labour are to win the next election they have to have a convincing new leader.

cingolimama · 28/06/2016 20:46

Nashville, I totally agree! Where on earth do people get this "nice guy" or "decent and honourable" rubbish? He's a man of incredible vanity and arrogance and he's destroying the party.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/06/2016 20:49

He has to go.

He hasn't lead in any way shape or form.

No one in my CLP who voted for him will do so again.

pinkladyapple · 28/06/2016 20:59

His only problem is that he is an honest, ordinary man of principles with a background supporting causes labour are meant to.

As a young person he is the only politician I trust. He was voted in by labour members. Blairites who want labour to be centre want to get rid of him.

Saying "he doesn't know how to play the media" is unfair as simply put - the media are owned by Tory supporters. He'd have to become a Tory to get coverage.

raisedbyguineapigs · 28/06/2016 21:07

Part of the reason we are in the mess we are in is because we don't have a strong opposition. The Tories have a very slim majority, yet have virtually been able to do what they want. He was lukewarm at best with regards to the referendum. Traditional Labour voters ignored them and voted leave. If they vote again, it will be for UKIP. We need a decent centrist party, and we need a strong opposition. Corbyn is neither.

FreshHorizons · 28/06/2016 21:08

He isn't a leader and he has to go.
I would like to vote Labour but there is no chance while he is leader.
If he had really put his weight behind the remain side I doubt we would be in this mess. I suspect that he voted leave.

FreshHorizons · 28/06/2016 21:09

He always puts himself first.

WaitingForTheMan · 28/06/2016 21:14

Sad? I'm fucking furious.
He was voted in overwhelmingly, his following has grown.
He should have binned off all those snakes when they voted for air strikes.
I hope he stays.

WaitingForTheMan · 28/06/2016 21:17

It wasn't a vote for party politics, it was a vote about Europe.
He didn't have to support the Remain camp anymore than the Tories had to support the Leave camp.
This is the sort of witless stupidity that has got us into this mess.

someonestolemynick · 28/06/2016 21:18

I hope Jeremy Corbyn pushes through. It's between him and Tory light.

The article below sheds a lot of light on the coup and its motivation.

www.thecanary.co/2016/06/28/truth-behind-labour-coup-really-began-manufactured-exclusive/

SonicSpotlight · 28/06/2016 21:23

He is showing himself to be a vindictive, bitter little man who will tear the party apart through sheer arrogance.

Topseyt · 28/06/2016 21:24

I don't think Corbyn has ever looked at all comfortable when at the Dispatch Box in the House of Commons. He never gives the air of a man at ease with himself there or enjoying the job. He looks down at his papers all of the time and never makes much eye contact with his audience on the other benches.

Just an observation.

CaveMum · 28/06/2016 21:26

The vast majority of elected Labour MPs don't support him. His position is untenable. How on earth can he pull together the party if the majority won't work with him?

Thymeout · 28/06/2016 21:27

Pinklady That's simply not true about being denied media coverage. Andrew Neill was saying how journalists complain that they ask him for interviews again and again, but he turns them down, even for one on one interviews.

As half says, he only likes debating with people who agree with him. Or preaching to the converted.

I've stopped seeing him as 'a nice guy'. He's turning into a Monty Python Messiah. And I'm beginning to think someone else is pulling his strings.

CarolineNightmare · 28/06/2016 21:28

I am shocked and appalled at the disloyalty and treachery shown to him now, by people he must have known and worked closely with for years

CremeEggThief he is notorious for not having spoken to most of the PPLP for years, hardly knowing who anyone is, voting systematically against previous party leaders, and having stayed pretty much out of Westminster and only hobnobbing with his mates for a couple of decades now - he didn't work closely with pretty much anyone apart from Abbott and McDonnell!

Agree with pp that I don't think he comes across as a decent and principles man, but a bloody-minded and stubborn adherent to his own ideas despite the need for flexibility, openness, and consensus-building being a huge part of the leadership role.

His sabotage of the Labour In campaign, deliberate or not, was appalling undermining of his own party colleagues - disrespectful to them and deliberately making himself difficult to work with. He wouldn't even have a meeting with Alan Johnson, a senior party figure and the head of the Labour In campaign, until after the referendum was over.

It's hardly evidence of great principles to not be entirely truthful with the public and the party, and pretend to be supporting a cause you're not really supporting, whilst undermining it at the same time. I'm actually quite horrified and shocked to see the evidence of how much Corbyn and his team went out of their way to remove references to the referendum from speeches, not turn up at events they had said they would, and so on.