Europe's Leading Statesman Gives 'Em Hell

[claig]

Farage addresses the European Parliament after historic Brexit vote.

He says "most of you have never had a real job in your lives" and they all nod in agreement. Farage says "the little people defied the multinationals" and the multinationals sadly agree.

As Farage speaks to the world, puppets panic, stooges are stunned, elitists take a lie down, globalists are gobsmacked and the people party.

At the end of Farage's speech, the Establishment broadcast their pre-recorded booing tape in order to drown out the roar of defiance of the British people.

After Farage, Marine Le Pen speaks and says that the Brexit vote is the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

'Corbyn may wear shoddy old suits but he is part of the elite is he not? '

No which is why they are busy trying to topple Corbyn now. They don't trust Corbyn for the future, he is not part of the club, just like they don't trust Trump, but do trust Hillary.

The elite have an agenda, if you follow it, your are in the club. Corbyn doesn't follow it. He reluctantly supported Remain, he reluctantly did not force his way over Syria etc. the elite like enthusiasts they can rely on, not someone reluctant who may not be counted on over an important issue in the future. Corbyn won power against their wishes, just as the people voted Brexit against their wishes.

Claig you remind me of my EA ex....

Is that you TP?

Its a distinction posters are not making.

'What on earth do you think you could export to India?'

Dyson vacuum cleaners. Dyson are apparently the biggest vacuum cleaning company in Germany, so their products must be good, although I have a German Sebo.

Corbyn just didn't believe in the EU, and it showed. He was arguing for something he didn't believe in, so how can you trust him? And I think the anti-Semitic stuff will dog him forever btw, but that's another argument.

India is a very protectionist country, also, what manufactured goods can we export there that they can't make. Who owned our steel till 3 months ago? Who own Jaguar Landrover?

Our main export is financial services. Why? Cause we manage deals from euro companies going to the US, and we manage US companies going into the EU.

Great, lets fuck that up.

Corbyn is very much not part of the elite within politicians, he's not in the Bullingdon boys back slapping club.

'He was arguing for something he didn't believe in, so how can you trust him?'

Corbyn is weak, but people think he might grow a backbone one day. They understand the amount of pressure on him, surrounded by the Establishment's favourites. Corbyn has been disappointing, but not as disappointing as the Establishment's favourites will be.

'India is a very protectionist country, also, what manufactured goods can we export there that they can't make. '

Yes, you are right, but we can make a better deal if we send a delegation of common sense negotiators, not the type who "negotiated" Cameron's deal with our EU partners who thought Christmas had come early when they looked at our team.

If Germany buy Dyson, then it must be a good product, so India would buy it too.

'Our main export is financial services'

We have to diversify out of that

Dysons? Seriously, your plan to save the economy of the Uk is selling expensive hoovers to India?

Fuck me. You're screwed.

Dyson vacuum cleaners are made in Malaysia.

Dyson is one example. I assume we have civil servants who know the statistics of what we sell and which companies sell what to whom. I don't think it is impossible to increase sales by helping companies through our trade commissions etc

'Dyson vacuum cleaners are made in Malaysia.'

Now that we are out of the EU, we can create our own rules which allow us to support companies like Dyson in tax free zones of high unemployment etc. We are back in charge and can decide how to promote our own manufacturing.

I love the way people can't get past Tony Blair. British political discourse is eternally backwards-looking. You sit around assigning blame instead of acknowledging current reality and taking steps to improve things. Meanwhile on continental Europe France and Germany, who went to war three times since the 1870s, have learned to shake hands and play nicely together. In Ireland two parties that arose out of a civil war have joined hands and are skipping merrily off into the sunset.

Also scratching my head at this phrase: ' The EU have a similar ideology though, don't they? I mean, it's not exactly a left wing outlook is it? It's neoliberal, allowing the privatisation of public services.'
Meanwhile, Ireland has a dual health system in place much like the US's and always has; you pay for your doctor visits and your prescriptions and you pay premiums for your private health insurance. There are very few public services to privatise. And yet, this has not been blamed on the EU. Ireland's mantra has been that a rising tide lifts all boats. Not exactly left wing, for sure, but again, not something to blame the EU for. The EU allows many a national quirk to flourish. It's up to each state to encourage growth and take advantage of the opportunities offered by EU membership, and to dampen down the quirks that create the sort of deeply divided society that England has revealed to the world.

British politicians have gleefully played the Them and Us card for generations. Where has this got Britain?

Sitting around casting blame gets you exactly where?

Sitting around casting blame where it's not due while at the same time giving the Tories a 12 person majority gets you exactly where?

• The rest of the world. We export more to Luxembourg than to India. That is ridiculous. Send some trade delegations out there, send Sir Blob Bogoff out there (on second thoughts, don't, it could turn into a disaster for us) and drum up some trade

• Do you seriously think that you sell fuck all to India because no-one has ever asked them if they want any? What on earth do you think you could export to India?
  And yeah...

What will Britain import from Africa, I wonder.

Sorry Claig, your understanding of "deals" is decidedly lacking.

You realise that the Cameron deal was the best the EU would give him to stay in, the biggest reason being that the UK already has a special status in the EU due to rebates, exemptions, a size of the vote in coucil far bigger than proportional, vetos, opt outs etc.

In the end, the EU ministers today are right, the UK can't cherry pick what it wants to have and what it doesn't and let the rest bare the cost while it profits. It already has competitive advantage because of its deals and anymore would result in a very unfair deal. The £8bn a year we contribute net doesn't cover this.

In the end, we want exemptions, the right to veto etc. It goes down to " the UK needs should be adhered to at all costs, stuff the rest." It doesn't work like that, they have tried to keep us in with as many exceptions as possibe but in the end it becomes untenable.

'You realise that the Cameron deal was the best the EU would give him to stay in'

If they could go back in time ad avoid Brexit and the possible contagion, I think they would have offered Cameron a better deal. Cameron seems to have had few friends there after blasting Juncker and opposing his election and then being outvoted 26-2. I don't think he did a very good job.

Juncker doesn't matter in the Council, he's president of the commission.

See, it was the other leaders that didn't give the deal, not Juncker.

Understanding is lacking there Claig.

'Juncker doesn't matter in the Council, he's president of the commission. '

Merkel backed Juncker, while Cameron made a song and dance about it and no one joined him.

So? There are other presidents aren't there.

Let me put it this way, the UK couldn't have more exceptions than it got because it already has so many.

But this goes with your narrative that the UK should get what it wants all the time. Which it certainly won't in other trade deals either.

the days of empire are gone.

'There are other presidents aren't there. '

Yes, but they probably have about as much power as Cameron had.

'Let me put it this way, the UK couldn't have more exceptions than it got because it already has so many.'

Then why did Cameron lead us all on with the song and dance routine around the capitals or Europe and come back waving a blank piece of paper saying "a deal in our time"?

The UK has a far larger proportion of the vote in the Council of Mnisters, so Cameron has a lot of power.

Your analogy of peace in our time is pitiful btw, not the same, not comparable. Hyperbole yet again, dear me.

Now that we are out of the EU, we can create our own rules which allow us to support companies like Dyson in tax free zones of high unemployment etc. We are back in charge and can decide how to promote our own manufacturing

Oh my goodness.

So less tax money available to fund the NHS therefore? Less money to keep Wales ticking over?

Britain can dictate terms of trade to other countries?
Not for over a hundred years has this been the case.

All of the enthusiasm about the future ignores the inconvenient fact that trade happens with other countries, and that business planning involves real money and the hope of a real profit.

Good point Math.

Also tax free zones don't work.

Firms move just before the tax free bit stops, and go somewhere else that offers tax free. SR not LR plans. See Siemens in the North East, see many manufacturers across the country.

Void of ideas

'So less tax money available to fund the NHS therefore? Less money to keep Wales ticking over?'

No because we don't need to send the disputed figure of £350 million per week over and can spend it on the NHS

'Britain can dictate terms of trade to other countries? '

Trump is going to do it. We are the 5th largest economy in the world, we can get better deals with better negotiating teams allowed to create our own deals rather than having to accept or wait for an EU one deal that is not custom made for our requirements.

6th largest since Brexit.

'6th largest since Brexit.'

You are right

You really are delusional aren't you.

BTW we're no longer the 5th biggest economy in the world, but again that point has been dealt with, and told to you on numerous occasions
The £350 million a week never eixsted. At best it was £8 bn, but you realise a small fall in tax returns negates that, as does the increase in national debt interst we are now going to have to pay since we were downgraded.

Where is the extra money going to come from if costs go up and tax take goes down ?

Btw , a 1,000 job loss in city banking jobs is thought to lead to a £100 m loss inincome tax take. there are 6,000 jobs already going, big chip out of your £bn already, what is next?

You argue about all these things that you don't fully understand, which is the sign of an fool.