Europe's Leading Statesman Gives 'Em Hell

[claig]

Farage addresses the European Parliament after historic Brexit vote.

He says "most of you have never had a real job in your lives" and they all nod in agreement. Farage says "the little people defied the multinationals" and the multinationals sadly agree.

As Farage speaks to the world, puppets panic, stooges are stunned, elitists take a lie down, globalists are gobsmacked and the people party.

At the end of Farage's speech, the Establishment broadcast their pre-recorded booing tape in order to drown out the roar of defiance of the British people.

After Farage, Marine Le Pen speaks and says that the Brexit vote is the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

"The Daily Mail however is owned and operated by a hereditary non dom peer, who is extremely neo liberal and doesn't like state provision of services or interference in markets."

I really don't care what he does and how rich he is and whether he is friends with the high and mighty as long as he allows free speech in his papers. He even employs Dan Hodges and Piers Morgan, both of whom I dislike, but Dan Hodges is clever and is worth reading as he does make good points.

Without the Mail, many great journalists wouuld not have a platform to reach such a large audience.

There is nothing wrong with being rich like Rothermere or Murdoch if they create employment and give access to free expression and enhance our cultural and political life by providing diversity of opinion and challenge to politicians and the Establishment power.

Frank, I agree with you on point 1. The second is a hell of a leap. And I would counter the third by the obvious point that the older generation have the benefit of perspective and life experience, and I have seen no statistics to suggest that they would not vote for the benefit of their children and grandchildren rather than themselves. I'm not saying that under 25s are inherently more selfish, but it seems pretty harsh to suggest that over 65s are.

Claig so Germaine Greer is in! But so is Katie Hopkins

How do I make the list? Still waiting!

'Claig so Germaine Greer is in! But so is Katie Hopkins

How do I make the list? Still waiting!'

Corbyn is in, Farage is in, Germaine Greer is in, Katie Hopkins is in and you are in. We are all the people with diverse opinions in a free society. We all want more freedom and democracy and self-government and sovereignty over the people that rule us and make decisions that affect our lives. We want to hold them to account by free speech, opinion and PR voting.

I haven't read this thread. But oh how the title made me laugh. And the op appears to be serious. Well I guess we must get our laughs where we can in these dark times.

cait I'm not saying either generation is more selfish just that one has to live with the repercussions for an awful lot longer...and if you extrapolate the vote up it may have easily swung to remain - so not a leap really

Interesting article here:
www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-young-people-upset-by-the-outcome-of-the-eu-referendum-why-didnt-you-vote-a7105396.html

I'm tickled by the fact that you don't think Rothmere and Murdoch are establishment.

In fact it shows how illogical you are, and your massive intellectual short comings.

Which is why you Claigy have voted for the neo liberal elite to be in power and think its a revolution. Why you have voted for a fall in economic prosperity, why you have signed your own and your children's future down the river. Your opinions are laughable, they really arre, backed with little or no critical thinking or relevant understanding of the topics that you debate.

Duped, like a fool, into voting against your best interests, because you are too pig headed to look at any argument other than your own.

Calling vested interest on any organisation or person who doesn't confirm your own preconceived opinions, but having no understanding of the vested interest of those that do? Lauhable, hysterical if it wasn't for the fact that you and those like you have just done the country serious damage.

Round of applause for the maleducated malcontents and their self harm eh?

''m tickled by the fact that you don't think Rothmere and Murdoch are establishment. '

I don't know much about Rothermere as he is old money and is therefore Establishment now.

Murdoch has grown to play a prominent role in the Esatablishment but there was a time when he was the Australian outsider who dared to buy the Times and put the old Establishment's noses out of joint. Thatcher helped create his power and he now dominates the media.

But Esatblsihment's change just as he was once an outsider and now isn't. That is part of a free and flexible society where the new replaces the old. Murdoch was taking Trump on and Trump hit him with a few tweets and it all died down for a bit. They were dining in Scotland together a few days ago, so maybe they have sorted things out. That is how it goes.

Or that Murdoch and Trump are both establishment? Both sons of millionaires who have inherited fortunes?

That Murdoch is a republican and who owns Fox news? One of the largest sources of misinformation?

No they aren't establishment at all, no agenda, nothing.

Also admitting you don't know much about Rothmere reflects your lack of understanding about the very thing you seek to argue about.

'Or that Murdoch and Trump are both establishment? Both sons of millionaires who have inherited fortunes?'

I don't think being rich makes you Establishment. Establishment's change, some people are in and some are out of the Esatablishment. it all depends which Establishment is in charge. If Trump gets in, he has said he will probably prosecute Hillary and I think a lot of other people too, who were the Establishment once, but may no longer be.

Yes, Murdoch and Rothermere have agendas, as do Corbyn and John McDonnell.

Trump is as establishment as they come. You really are blind to anything other than your own points aren't you?

Clinton is far less "establishment" than Trump.

smallfox1980, I have been following Trump for a while.

The entire Republican elite were against him because they are scared stiff of what he might do to them. They tried to stop him, they spent millions from hedge funds running campaign ads against him, they are even now plotting to possibly topple him at the Convention. World "leaders" are "terrified" of him and Obama is inundated with them asking him about Trump and if their worst nightmare of Trump getting in might be a reality.

Davos are terrifed of Trump. Trump says he was Establishment while he wrote campaign cheques for senators etc, but as soon as he said he was running, they all turned against him, including Romney, Bush etc

Trump is the rich outsider and the Establishment worldwide is terrified of him and what he might do in tearing up free tarde deals, saying NATO is irrelevant, saying he thinks he will get on with Putin, that he will scrap the climate change deals and that he will never surrender America to "the false song of globalism".

Just about every newspaper on earth is anti Trump, and Peter Hitchens probably is too, but Katie Hopkins isn't.

I don't think Trump is the existing Establishment which is why they are terrified of him. It is not about being rich, it is about following an agenda.

And of course, Trump thinks we have done a good thing by "taking our country back" with Brexit, which goes against Cameron, Hillary, Obama, the IMF, Goldman Sachs etc etc

You believe the trump rhetoric all you like, but it is empty rhetoric.

Fox news is pro Trump, who owns that.

Essentially Trump is the Tea party candidate, he has always been establishment, always will be, but ran on a protest vote agenda.

He will not represent those he seeks to get votes from once in power.

I simply don't understand how you fail to see this.

You liked Boris till yesterday now you think he will do what is best for business, you defended Boris last week.

Trump will do what is best for big business, for himself and the rich, the little people who voted him in once will not get better lives and neither will you here under brexit.

You are delusional.

"EU's Schulz wouldn't favor a Trump White House

European Parliament President Martin Schulz said on Saturday that neither Europe nor the United States was prepared for a Donald Trump presidency as the likely Republican candidate had no international experience and was a populist.

"Trump belongs to these people that we also have here in Europe, who have a scapegoat for all issues but never have a concrete solution," Schulz told French television i-Tele.

"Honestly, I prefer another candidate," he said, referring to Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, a former U.S. Secretary of State."

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-schulz-idUSMTZSAPEC3CXAFDGO

If Trumo gets in, it is bad news for these people, bad news for the EU.

Trump will like a Brexit Britain, but he won't have much time for the people who criticised him.

Brexit is the biggest earthquake in over a century, it is a populist revolt and it is very likely to spread across the world, particularly if Trump gets in.

Breixt is not the biggest earthquake for over a century, yet more hyperbole.

Frank H - spot on, everyone has an opinion and a point of view on pretty much everything and this may or may not fit with yours but, that doesn't necessarily make them wrong ( and I expect your friend is still your friend)

'Fox news is pro Trump, who owns that.'

It wasn't, that is why Trum had a feud with Fox hst Megyn Kelly. Lots of Fox viewers stopped wacthing because they thought it was anti Trump. Trump boycotted one of Fox's debates, lost them millions of viewers.

Murdoch has o choice but to try and mend bridges with Trump because Trump is now looking likely to win, but Trump has the power not Murdoch. Trump is not like Blair.

'Trump is the Tea party candidate, he has always been establishment'

The Tea Party is anti-establishment, it toppled lots of the Establishment stooges. Rubio rose on the back of the Tea Party, but everyone knows he is Establishment which is why he is struggling to resurrect his career and Trump has thrown him an olive branch.

'He will not represent those he seeks to get votes from once in power. '

Yes, maybe, but that is what all politicians do, it is not new.

'You liked Boris till yesterday now you think he will do what is best for business, you defended Boris last week. '

I don't like Boris much. I prefer Gove and Andres Leadsom, but Boris os OK even though I feel he will stitch us up. There is nothing we can do, that's politics.

You Can't Reason With Batshit.

Isn't there a thread on here about that?

But please, stop

Believe what you like Claig.

Fundamentally you misunderstand so much that its too hard to discuss these points with you.

Last week Boris wasn't establishment, this week he will sell you out.

Let me repeat, you are not a revolutionary, this is not a revolution, this is handing power to the neo liberal elite who will do nothing for you.

"Brexit is not the biggest earthquake for over a century,"

"Brexit earthquake has happened, and the rubble will take years to clear

Westminster was the target of this referendum as much as Brussels – and the scale of the public’s demand for change is breathtaking"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/brexit-earthquake-has-happened-the-rubble-will-take-years-to-clear

"DOMINIC SANDBROOK: As a historian, I can assure you this is the most tumultuous event of modern times, a people's revolt against the elite

There are times, not very often, when you can feel history being made. An archduke falls, a wall comes down, a plane hits a building, and in that moment you can feel the ground shifting beneath your feet.

When those initial results came in from Sunderland and Newcastle in the early hours of yesterday morning, I could barely believe it. Even now, to write the words 'Britain has voted to leave the EU' feels extraordinary, like a leap into some alternative reality.

For once, all the cliches are justified. This was not merely an electoral earthquake. It was a popular revolt by vast swathes of England and Wales against the political, financial and cultural elite, whose complacent assumptions have been simply blown away.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3659119/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-historian-assure-tumultuous-event-modern-times-people-s-revolt-against-elite-s-brewing-years.html

The arthquake has nothing to do with financial markets. As Donald Tusk, The President of the EU Coincil, said "it may lead to the end of Western civilization".

What he really means by that is that the magnitude of the challenge of the elites by the people could topple the existing elites across the entire Western world. It really is enormous, and if Trump follows it, then there will be panic among the elites. But it will all turn out right for the people.

caitlinohara "At least the 65+ generation could be arsed to show up. What was turnout in 18-24s? About 35%? So don't let's try to pretend that they've somehow been overruled by the older generation. They basically didn't bother getting out of bed to vote."
You may be right. Which is worrying.

I am a volunteer at a wildlife centre owned and run by a conservation charity. I have noticed that of those who are employed in more menial jobs, such as in the café, most are migrants, often Eastern Europeans. The charity does not discriminate against native Britons - indeed most of the higher posts are filled by Britons. I can only conclude that these sort of menial jobs are just not attractive to young Britons, and that if the migrants weren't doing them, no one would. I remember a survey a few years ago showed that the preferred jobs of 14 year old girls were models, popstars etc. I suspect that a similar survey of boys would have football players or suchlike.

By the way, you seem to have replied later on to someone else's post, thinking it was mine.

As I said, I didn't agree with my acquaintance, another volunteer at the same Wildlife Centre, so please don't attribute views to myself which I don't hold.

But seeing as it is 2016, it is not the biggest earthquake for over a century.

yet more Daily Mail quotes? Wonderful.

Well done Claigy, yet more confirmation bias.

claig
"But it will all turn out right for the people."

Again, I have to ask - what "people"?

The evidence of the last few days suggests that there are many groups of "people" - migrants, refugees etc., for which it will not be all right. Are these groups too part of the "Establishment"?

'Well done Claigy, yet more confirmation bias.'

OK

Newsnight is on. They will discuss Corbyn and they are interviewing Le Pen on Brexit.