Europe's Leading Statesman Gives 'Em Hell

[claig]

Farage addresses the European Parliament after historic Brexit vote.

He says "most of you have never had a real job in your lives" and they all nod in agreement. Farage says "the little people defied the multinationals" and the multinationals sadly agree.

As Farage speaks to the world, puppets panic, stooges are stunned, elitists take a lie down, globalists are gobsmacked and the people party.

At the end of Farage's speech, the Establishment broadcast their pre-recorded booing tape in order to drown out the roar of defiance of the British people.

After Farage, Marine Le Pen speaks and says that the Brexit vote is the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

'You don't think that if we want to trade with the EU, then our goods and services will have to comply with EU standards?'

Yes, just as we comply with Japanese and Chines and American standards, but we don't need to share sovereignty with them.

We will sell EU standard toasters to the EU and will be allowed to buy better British standard ones for ourselves.

only disagree with the Establishment on some issues because I think some things they do are not common sense

FFS - don't you think many people think like that? It does not make you special because you think politicians don't use what you think is common sense.

claig why do you say that people have been tricked?

Leaving the EU but entering into an EEA with payment and free movement was always a possibility!!!

How could it not be?

'Hand to hand fighting between the NF and anti-fascists on the streets. Your road leads to that and much more. '

I don't remember the NF, but I am not wanting a retrun to that. I want PR voting and sovereignty and a real Corbyn Labour party and a real multiparty system that has to form coalitions that reflect the real will of the people. The NF is nothing to do with that

Keep telling yourself that, claig, plenty of 'little men' the world over are speculating on our currency.

want PR voting and sovereignty and a real Corbyn Labour party and a real multiparty system that has to form coalitions that reflect the real will of the people

See - I agree with part of that. I think consensus politics is far better than a party with less than 50% of the votes having their way.

claig

It seems to me that you are a romanticist. There is nothing necessarily wrong about that - romantics have been responsible for much that is good - but also for much that is evil. Hitler and Stalin were romanticists, but so was St.Francis.

However, I think it is irresponsible to not worry about "plans". After all, what exactly is "sovereignty"? How does it work out in practice?

After all, all those areas which didn't vote for Brexit might consider that their wishes have been over-ridden. Why is one sort of sovereignty good, and another bad?

'For me - it was 'the economy, stupid' - to use an old quote. '

Yes, as it as for Cameron and a lot of people. But the majority didn't vote on the economy, not least because they didn't believe Project Dear on the economy and think the economy will be alright.

'Leaving the EU but entering into an EEA with payment and free movement was always a possibility!!!'

I think that free movement is not what the people want, but I think that that is what Boris will give is because that is what business will want

You will talk yourselves roundd and round in circles, it's all woolly conspiracy theory assertions, backed up by total contradictory self-serving bollocks. It doesn't make any sense.

not least because they didn't believe Project Dear on the economy and think the economy will be alright

I think the economy for some wasn't even a consideration. I think many people formed an opinion and looked for facts to support it and to justify their thinking but ignored things that would have changed their mind.

'See - I agree with part of that. I think consensus politics is far better than a party with less than 50% of the votes having their way.'

Absolutely. Without Brexit, nothing would have changed, we would have ben run forever by a group of useless Etonians. Now our politics is in eltdown. Corbyn is facing a challenge from the stooges. The people wanted to leave the Eu and the only party that wanted to leave the Eu has only 1 MP. The Mps do not reprsent the people. We have a crisis in our democracy.

Bit now everything will have to change because there is no hiding how useless and unrepresentative our political class is. Corbyn may form a real Labour Party, we may be allowed to have real PR voting and then the MPs will be representative of the people

I think that free movement is not what the people want

Do you realise how offensive that is? It sounds like Farage and his real, ordinary, decent people comment. 48% of people voted to remain. We are also 'the people'.

The people wanted to leave the Eu and the only party that wanted to leave the Eu has only 1 MP. The Mps do not reprsent the people. We have a crisis in our democracy

You are doing it again.

The British People are the people. All of us.

What on earth makes you think we won't continue to be ruled by a group of useless Etonians? What is BoJo if not a useless Etonian? How has Brexit changed any of that?

'It seems to me that you are a romanticist.'

I don't think so because I see myself as having common sense, a realist, a populist. But I am an optimist. i believe we are going through a revolutionary process across the world that is shaking Establishments and elites and will lead to a better democratic future for the people than the enforced closer union of unelected elites in the EuUoffered us.

I think she means "people who agree with her". I am British, I did not want to leave the EU. It seems I am not the People.

Claig

Our sovereignty is with Parliament not the people - never has been with the people.

If you are so interested in government and structure and politics - take a degree in it. Get educated. Like me

Oh and if you weren't around to see the NF first time round I think you may be 'lucky' soon if Mr F keeps stirring the shit pot

and I never did find out how we would know who was in and who was out. I will have to start making both uniforms just to be safe

Showme Out Boom

Round and round again "unelected elites".

'However, I think it is irresponsible to not worry about "plans".'

It is the politicians' jobs and the civil service to come up with plans. We just vote on them

claig
And I'm still unimpressed as to how you define and think of the "Establishment". It now appears that, besides anti- and pro-Establishment, you have "good Establishment" e.g. Donald Trump, and "bad Establishment", i.e. any views you don't like.

Claig, you have a basic lack of understanding of the legislature, executive and judiciary. You sound like a passionate person, why don't you do a degree in constitutional law or government and poltiics, you'd probably really enjoy it. You'd certainly learn something as what you say now has massive holes in it.

'After all, all those areas which didn't vote for Brexit might consider that their wishes have been over-ridden. Why is one sort of sovereignty good, and another bad?'

We live in a nation where we have to accept the democratic will of the entire people. i don't like this talk of London going alone etc. london is part of Engalnd and they have to accept the will of the entire people

No they don't. It's not legally binding.

'Do you realise how offensive that is?'

No it is not offensive because I am talking about the majority which is how democracy works.

We didn't vote on a plan. That's the whole bloody problem, we voted on an idea with no plan attached to it whatsoever.