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To not know how to accept what's happening?

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PeachStone · 27/06/2016 13:33

Yes this is a post about the EU referendum but I don't want to discuss the rights and wrongs of the decision or why people voted as they did. This is about how I'm feeling and wondering if anyone else is in the same position.

First of all, I voted to remain. I've long been interested in politics and hold very strong socialist views. Im accustomed to disappointment in the outcome of elections, the Tories getting in twice was obviously upsetting and worrying to me and has been an ongoing concern with the way I feel they have treated us with austerity and cuts. But there was always the hope that a new government would be elected, one that would reverse the damage and serve the people properly, if we could just ride the storm. This feels different.

When I woke to the news that Brexit had scraped through, I can only describe my response as devastated, shocked and worried. I'd read a lot of material from both sides of the argument, Brexit, Lexit, Remain. I decided on several different points that it would be better to stay in the EU for now, get behind a movement to reform it, but however things panned out, it was too dangerous to leave now with a right wing government in place and a leave campaign backed by extreme right factions. I listened to the economic forecasts if we were to leave. I believed, still do, the many experts and institutions that lay out the economic fate in a case of Brexit.

Right now, this feels huge. I genuinely feel that the course of the future has been changed, that this is just the start and we are headed for economic ruin, civil war and potentially a world war. I know some people will be reading this and thinking I am catastrophising, have bought into the 'scaremongering' of remain, I'm ill informed etc. but whatever the reason for feeling like this, it is absolutely what I feel. And I am terrified. I genuinely do not know how to accept what is happening. I don't know how to carry on as normal when I feel like I've woken up in a different country. This has changed everything. I can liken it to a form of grief but a kind that I've not experienced before. But it's there in the pit of my stomach, fear, sadness, despair, anger. Without any idea how to move past it.

I'm not angry with the people who voted leave, I know that, like me, they voted in the best interests of the country. I am disappointed though, that many placed economic uncertainty over concerns about immigration when research suggests that at worst their burden is neutral and at best they are huge contributors to our economy and society. Every single person I spoke to that was voting leave cited immigration as their main reason although I know people voted leave for a variety of reasons. I reserve my anger for the politicians who called this referendum. I think it was too complex an issue for us to decide as a people. They don't consult us on other major issues such as taking our country to war. Why this? Why now? I feel like we've been sacrificed for the political aspirations of those hell bent on screwing us over.

I'm finding myself wanting to spend all my time on social media, clinging desperately to my fellow remainers, trying to make sense of it, understand it, prepare, hope against hope that this isn't really happening. But then you get called a cry-baby, sore loser. Or that you're unpatriotic for not being happy about this and believing that Britain can flourish alone. Told to accept it, move on. I don't know how to do that when I think that this will be the moment that historians pinpoint as the unraveling of this country, the moment the world irrevocably changed for ever. I feel like I'm watching it happening with the rise of xenophobic attacks. I'm watching and feel powerless to do anything.

It's not something you can talk about though. How do you admit that you're so frightened that you are regularly in tears? My family have heard enough, my Facebook friends have probably hidden me. I can't go to my doctor and say, 'I'm depressed because of the referendum result. It's playing havoc with my anxiety. Is there counselling available for Brexit?'.

How do you move on?

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PlatoTheGreat · 27/06/2016 15:09

OneArt is completely right about making a lost of what positive actions you can take. Whether it is about politics, or finances, jobs whatever.

Being able to feel that you are 'doing' something always helps :)

Rishaar · 27/06/2016 15:10

It's not easy but try to rationalise your thoughts... take a step back from social media and the news for a while. Unfortunately, uncertainty doesn't always bring out the best in these media and is very negatively focused right now. Yes, of course there are negatives, but there are positives as well.

I think that it is shameful the way some people have acted towards immigrants over the last few days, but I'm sorry to say that it is not new behaviour. I live in Birmingham which has a large immigrant population and have many friends who have come to live here from both within the EU and outside of it. Every single one has numerous stories about people moaning to their face about immigrants.... Polish people taking their jobs, how British Asians called the immigrant asians "freshies" and think they're a bit dumb. People have not become racist overnight, it's just that the vote is a weapon for some to strike out at others.

Please remember that our country has only been a part of the EU for 40-something years and we survived many years before it, lived and worked in other countries before it, received immigrants who lived and worked here before it. We have suffered several recessions whilst being a part of the EU. The future is uncertain in AND out of the EU. It could, in the long run, be the best thing for our country (like not joining the single currency! :))

Girlgonewild · 27/06/2016 15:11

Lots of people are upset that the turkeys voting for Christmas got their way. However we just have to accept it.

In terms of personal protections I would recommend no one goes part time, don't give up jobs, take second jobs. Save as much money as you can. That kind of thing protects people in economic down turns.

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:12

Toast

So don't compare it to a bereavement then. It's not is it.

Look I just think all this collective naval gazing and ridiculous calls for another vote or sobbing and wailing ain't going to help here.

We need to calm down and not panic as Mark Carney says, accept the vote, heal rifts and move forward.

I never said people upset by the result couldn't have known trauma that wasn't me but the major injury suffered by my dd was horrendous. This is not. We will survive as a country and be stronger as long as we heal and move forward.

MuminMama · 27/06/2016 15:12

You have never lost a loved one then if you can compare s referendum vote to that.

I have, and it's in the same ballpark. I guess we're not all the same, eh?

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:14

Risharr

Totally agree about the 3 recessions I have lived through. Hopefully we won't talk ourselves into a 4 th.

Kitsa · 27/06/2016 15:15

Savemefromwine you absolutely can grieve a lost identity, which is what this feels like to some people. There's no need to belittle other people.

ToastDemon · 27/06/2016 15:16

If people feel bereaved then that is how they feel. It is not for you Savemefromwine to tell others how they should or shouldn't feel.
I don't know what best to call it but it was enough that I felt pretty physically and mentally knocked for a couple of days before some of my resilience returned.

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:17

Mumin er wow ok there's no rational reply to that.

I suppose it's on a par with people weeping over Diana. Sad as her death was I was amazed at those likening her death to a personal bereavement to them.

Still each to their own.

Hirosleaftunnel · 27/06/2016 15:18

Think of British Troops fighting in an EU army against the people of Ukraine on behalf of Putin. Still worried about the result?

Badbadbunny · 27/06/2016 15:18

Life carries on and within a few years, it will all be history. Whether or not the country will be better or worse will be discussed and argued over for decades - no-one will ever know for sure as other things will also happen to muddy the waters. It's hard if you feel badly affected (though don't know why as nothing bad has actually happened yet), but best to make the best decisions you can, and move forward and put yourself in the best position to weather whatever storms may lay ahead.

Unfortunately, project fear (which probably made them lose) is continuing with all kinds of gloom-mongering predictions which are actually making people think that awful things are happening (they're not), so chill out and we all need to just wait and see what happens. Pointless and counter-productive dwelling and worrying about things that may or may not happen.

fusionconfusion · 27/06/2016 15:19

And it is the broader context too.. the signs of rising nationalism and xenophobia, the random acts of violence, the increasingly narrow range of politicians, the gap between the elite and the rest of us... these things never lead anywhere good, they never have.. and sometimes when people don't take time out to assess their values and to feel their feelings about these events and just put their heads down and "get on with things" they sleepwalk into fascist regimes.

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:20

Nor belittling. Just not joining in a mawkish naval gaze. Feel free to do so but In RL I think most people would be disgusted to hear this result compared to a loved ones death. I find it disgusting anyway.

Girlgonewild · 27/06/2016 15:21

People feel how they feel. I don't get as upset as some people because I seem able to change how I think about things in my head, a sort of internal automatic CBT. I seem to have been born with it and I'm very lucky. I am very very disappointed over the result but I have just luckily been able to turn it round into opportunities.

I am pleased Oliver Letwin is going to be central to this as I've always thought he was pretty good. Some good always comes out of bad

It is nothing like people weeping over Diana. The disaffected have chosen to destroy the country for the res of us. They don't realise yet that they are the ones who will suffer most as a result so that gives me an element of schadenfreude.

ToastDemon · 27/06/2016 15:21

Badbadbunny I don't see any continuation of "project fear". I see the markets in turmoil, the economy damaged and no credible leadership. These are rational things to worry about.

fusionconfusion · 27/06/2016 15:21

And these bad things ARE happening now. Have a look at all the tweets by people being told to fuck off home. Orlando. Jo Cox.

Of course history will come and go regardless. The second world war came and went regardless. A lot of people died and history moved on. That's what history does. Ignoring the lessons of history isn't nearly as pointless as people make out, though.

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:22

I don't suppose we are sleepwalking into a facist regime really do you?

Mumsnet has got very dramatic

FellOutOfBed2wice · 27/06/2016 15:22

I hear you, OP. I don't think I feel as anxious as you (despite being an anxious person) but that may, in part, be down to the fact that I come from a family where we deal with things through humour and that's mainly how I've been dealing with it.

However I do feel we are living in some weird times and that the face of history has been changed forever for our country. Whatever happens, this is going to be huge and I am worried for my children and the country we are handing them.

fusionconfusion · 27/06/2016 15:24

Dramatic?

What do you think Trump is? Where do you think his support comes from? What do you think fascism is, where do you think it begins? It begins with the sort of rising isolationalism, nationalism and xenophobia that is very real in the world right now, not just in the UK.

www.afropunk.com/photo/fascism-words-by-michael-rosen

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:24

Racist twats have always existed and always will. I remember the 70s and things are infinatly better today than they were. No one under 30 would believe the racism and sexism that was commonplace back then.

iloveeverykindofcat · 27/06/2016 15:28

What do you mean nothing bad has happened? Bad things have happened and are happening. www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 15:29

Yes it also comes from people who feel they haven't been regarded or listened to that's why huge swathes of the country voted to leave.

Discontent snowballs and the extreme right and left recruit.

We need to calm down, come together, accept the vote and move forward.

I honestly don't know what the hell the Americans are thinking regarding Trump but I do have far more faith in British people's commen sense and decency.

Whiteplate1 · 27/06/2016 15:30

another thread to hide

Dacc · 27/06/2016 15:31

That doesn't make sense.

To not know how to accept what's happening?
Kitsa · 27/06/2016 15:32

It's absolutely nothing like weeping for Diana and if that's what you think this is then you clearly have no understanding of what a lot of people here are talking about.