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To not know how to accept what's happening?

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PeachStone · 27/06/2016 13:33

Yes this is a post about the EU referendum but I don't want to discuss the rights and wrongs of the decision or why people voted as they did. This is about how I'm feeling and wondering if anyone else is in the same position.

First of all, I voted to remain. I've long been interested in politics and hold very strong socialist views. Im accustomed to disappointment in the outcome of elections, the Tories getting in twice was obviously upsetting and worrying to me and has been an ongoing concern with the way I feel they have treated us with austerity and cuts. But there was always the hope that a new government would be elected, one that would reverse the damage and serve the people properly, if we could just ride the storm. This feels different.

When I woke to the news that Brexit had scraped through, I can only describe my response as devastated, shocked and worried. I'd read a lot of material from both sides of the argument, Brexit, Lexit, Remain. I decided on several different points that it would be better to stay in the EU for now, get behind a movement to reform it, but however things panned out, it was too dangerous to leave now with a right wing government in place and a leave campaign backed by extreme right factions. I listened to the economic forecasts if we were to leave. I believed, still do, the many experts and institutions that lay out the economic fate in a case of Brexit.

Right now, this feels huge. I genuinely feel that the course of the future has been changed, that this is just the start and we are headed for economic ruin, civil war and potentially a world war. I know some people will be reading this and thinking I am catastrophising, have bought into the 'scaremongering' of remain, I'm ill informed etc. but whatever the reason for feeling like this, it is absolutely what I feel. And I am terrified. I genuinely do not know how to accept what is happening. I don't know how to carry on as normal when I feel like I've woken up in a different country. This has changed everything. I can liken it to a form of grief but a kind that I've not experienced before. But it's there in the pit of my stomach, fear, sadness, despair, anger. Without any idea how to move past it.

I'm not angry with the people who voted leave, I know that, like me, they voted in the best interests of the country. I am disappointed though, that many placed economic uncertainty over concerns about immigration when research suggests that at worst their burden is neutral and at best they are huge contributors to our economy and society. Every single person I spoke to that was voting leave cited immigration as their main reason although I know people voted leave for a variety of reasons. I reserve my anger for the politicians who called this referendum. I think it was too complex an issue for us to decide as a people. They don't consult us on other major issues such as taking our country to war. Why this? Why now? I feel like we've been sacrificed for the political aspirations of those hell bent on screwing us over.

I'm finding myself wanting to spend all my time on social media, clinging desperately to my fellow remainers, trying to make sense of it, understand it, prepare, hope against hope that this isn't really happening. But then you get called a cry-baby, sore loser. Or that you're unpatriotic for not being happy about this and believing that Britain can flourish alone. Told to accept it, move on. I don't know how to do that when I think that this will be the moment that historians pinpoint as the unraveling of this country, the moment the world irrevocably changed for ever. I feel like I'm watching it happening with the rise of xenophobic attacks. I'm watching and feel powerless to do anything.

It's not something you can talk about though. How do you admit that you're so frightened that you are regularly in tears? My family have heard enough, my Facebook friends have probably hidden me. I can't go to my doctor and say, 'I'm depressed because of the referendum result. It's playing havoc with my anxiety. Is there counselling available for Brexit?'.

How do you move on?

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PlymouthMaid1 · 27/06/2016 18:52

You are right Garlic... I didn't mean to put your head in the sand must not to agonise over any things which you can have no impact on.

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IonaMumsnet · 27/06/2016 19:14

Hi all,

After a great many requests, we're moving the bulk of the referendum threads to the new board here

Many of you, understandably, want to discuss this subject at length and in detail - this seems a good way to simultaneously keep AIBU and Chat moving for those who don't wish to participate. Of course, the conversations will still appear in Active.

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whydidhesaythat · 27/06/2016 19:16

it sounds like a strong grief/ loss OP

Would a real life action group be a good idea?. Is there one you can join?

We need you, bad things happen when good people do nothing.

I hope you soon manage to find a constructive channel for the feelings xx

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Artistic · 27/06/2016 19:24

OP - I agree with you. I have a sick feeling at the bottom of my stomach, like I am in a bad dream & I know it and waiting to wake up. It's just shocking how individuals have played with the future of this country - not the voters, rather the politicians who held the Ref. and poisoned the picture with lies and bullying. Such a big decision & we threw it away. Sad is not enough of a word to express our situation.

I hope we can claw our way back - if not in the EU, then as a non-member. And quickly before the collapse starts.

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PartyFants · 27/06/2016 19:30

I could have written this myself op, it's been a horrible few days, it's felt like grief the way it keeps hitting me after I've forgotten whilst watching a film or something, (please don't fucking tell me I don't know what grief feels like by the way, I've lost both parents and a baby)

Maybe it is a touch of anxiety, but sometimes it feels like we're the only ones seeing storms on the horizon, while everyone else just prefers to have their heads in the sand. When the recessions hit and they start to suffer, I think many of them will be genuinely surprised, it makes me sad.

I've had to come off Facebook altogether, it was too upsetting. The constant news and updates, the polarised opinions, people who I thought were my friends are sharing pictures of golliwogs peeping round a door asking "if it's OK to come out again yet" Angry I'm just so disappointed in them.

I have been looking after myself today. No news, no Facebook. I watched a happy film, did some cooking, there's nothing I can do right now, nothing that will be helped by panicking. I hope you feel calmer soon op. Mn isn't the best place for solace, many people come here for a fight.

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Brokenbiscuit · 27/06/2016 19:54

I feel a bit the same way, OP, and I'm not usually an anxious person. I feel that something important has been taken away from me, somehow, and I feel a curious mixture of anger, sadness, emptiness and fear. I think it's too early to say whether those feelings are justified.

The posts from people telling remain voters to grow up or get over it are not helpful. There was strong feeling on both sides of this debate, and the result represents a massive change for the future of our country. For me, it's symbolic too - I'm really questioning whether or not this is the type of country I want to live in any more.

Ultimately, I know that we have to accept the vote. I respect the right of other voters to make their choices, even when I think they're utterly misguided, and I will not be signing the petition for a second referendum as I believe that that would be anti-democratic. However, I reserve the right to feel what I feel about the result, and at the moment, I don't feel good.

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whydidhesaythat · 27/06/2016 20:06

Many of us were taught growing up that we had a responsibility to be on our guard

the " then they came for the Jews and I did nothing" poster was on the wall at my school

I wonder if that is part of it

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/06/2016 20:18

Good idea Iona, will allow people to manage their stress levels better. Do you want people to report threads that are not in the right place so they can be herded there?

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Brokenbiscuit · 27/06/2016 20:29

the " then they came for the Jews and I did nothing" poster was on the wall at my school

My school had this on the wall too. It has always stuck with me.

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InShockReally · 27/06/2016 20:38

... the " then they came for the Jews and I did nothing" poster was on the wall at my school

Yes ... It's just so well known. All of it. And when the right wing is clearly rising again, it's damn scary. It's nothing new, attacking "the other" and scapegoating has been done throughout history, but it's frightening to realise it is happening here and now and I've been in total and utter denial.

Now, I know that this is fictional tv world (and terribly naff tv at that), but has anyone else watched the Dr Who episode "Turn Left", where it posits a UK hit by various crises, including the destruction of London? There's a scene towards the end which breaks my heart, when everyone's been crowded into housing up north for ages, and then as resources run out, the soldiers finally come round to collect "the foreigners" in vans to get rid of them. There's a pretty broad indication about execution camps, because where else will they go?

It's apocalyptic and bleak and lightyears away from where we are now, but it's not ultimately impossible. Humanity hasn't magically changed in the last hundred years, and this stuff doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere without warning. There's an enormous slow build, and under the right circumstances "the other" becomes a dehumanised enemy who's used as a scapegoat and portrayed as a waste of resources.

It feels like that could be slowly happening now across the UK, right under our noses. I just wish I had a crystal ball and could see how it would all pan out 10, 50, 100 years from now.

I also wonder how everyday 1930s Germans would have reacted to the events around them if they'd had the Internet - would it have helped stop it all, or just sped things up do you think? (Pointless question maybe)

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user1467048527 · 27/06/2016 20:48

I have signed up just to respond to this thread. Found, of course, after days of obsessively reading everything I can on The Situation, and especially comments. Like others, I could have written much of it myself. Except that I would probably add that I've been feeling increasingly anxious about this for about a month now, with the week before the 23rd extremely worried. I actually thought I might feel better whatever the result as I'd have an answer, which seems ridiculous given the onslaught of emotions I have experienced since! I haven't been eating or sleeping properly.

In my case, I do suffer from general anxiety - I've had about four or five events in my adult life that have triggered a response like this and have low to medium anxiety all the time - and OCD more specifically.

I can't pinpoint the dividing line precisely, but I do know that my reaction to this is a mixture of normal (but, yes, very strong) emotion and the voice of my anxiety/OCD. I can see the former in people all around me. I thought perhaps most of my response has been over the top, but actually most people I've spoken to are some mixture of stunned, horrified, angry and scared. Lots of people wants to talk about it and their reactions to it at length, not just me. I'm not the only one obsessed with the news right now.

But I know I have an added element: in the week leading up to the 23rd I was engaged in utterly ridiculous rituals aimed at ensuring all would be well and culminating in anxiety so heightened that on that evening I couldn't get to bed because I had to keep redoing things until it felt 'right'. One consolation for me has been that I'm having a break from all that nonsense since it didn't 'work'! Now I'm into the pure anxiety phase... the not eating, the over-reading of material that isn't helping me calm down, the arguments with my partner (not British, ought to be more worried than me) who is extremely upset but also able to divert his mind and enjoy other things.

What I found interesting about your first post is that you said you felt you couldn't contact your doctor about it. One of the more rational thoughts I had yesterday (my worst day so far) was that I was going to call my GP this week if I didn't start to feel better. While I've had plenty of counselling over the years, I've never taken medication, save diazepam for very, very short periods. For the first time, I have thought 'enough'. So I really don't feel you should hesitate to call if you think you need help. I can assure you that you aren't the first to think it!

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Effic · 27/06/2016 20:50

Me too OP. And I find it amazing that anyone has say "you're overreacting - it's because of your anxiety"!! Obviously all the people on this thread are so rich they don't need a job and don't have a mortgage to pay or they don't have a job and someone else is paying the bills. I'm fucking terrified. It just felt like the country had staggered back to its feet - the economy was stable and it felt like we were just a little bit safe. Now, my partner has no job (comoany moving to Bremen) and isn't likely to get another one in this county as the industry he's in is dead now and my modest little pension pot is worth fuck all, my couple of shares are worthless & my nice little life that j built for myself is torpedoed. No doubt that accords no understanding from most on here as I'll be told I'm lucky to have a house to lose but yeh - I hear you OP and I'm really really frightened.

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PartyFants · 27/06/2016 22:04

Why aren't the leave voters frightened? I don't understand.

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Lighteningirll · 27/06/2016 22:11

Because there is nothing to be frightened of. The Leave voters didn't buy into Project Fear.

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InShockReally · 27/06/2016 22:12

We need an eye-roll emoticon on MN.

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PartyFants · 27/06/2016 22:17

So you don't think there's going to be recessions? Do you think we'll be better off?

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AllegraWho · 27/06/2016 22:19

I also wonder how everyday 1930s Germans would have reacted to the events around them if they'd had the Internet - would it have helped stop it all, or just sped things up do you think? (Pointless question maybe)

They might not have had the internet, but people left written records of the times, and it would appear that the reaction of ordinary Germans was broadly two-tiered.

The educated, and the well off with access to foreign currency and black market were laughing their heads off at the funny little Austrian clown and his scaremongering rhetoric.

The have-nots, meanwhile, those who had to pay a million deutschmarks for a loaf of bread, or do all their shopping on payday, assuming there were any goods to buy in the first place, because by the end of the month inflation would have rendered their money worthless, they saw in the Austrian clown someone who was prepared to accept responsibility, someone who had identified an "other" to blame, and who promised them a way out. They would get rid of the "other", and they would take their country back.

In the Yugoslavia of the 1990s, prior and just post Slovenia and Croatia voted for independence, the haves - the countries that took away their income which used to be diverted to the central government in Belgrade - laughed at the funny clown Milosevic and his nationalist scaremongering.

Meanwhile, the now desperate people of Serbia, and the strong national minority of Serbs living in Croatia, listened to a man who had identified a threat - their next door neighbour making off with their money - and believed to the promise of rivers of gold when they took back the productive land that should have fed them all if those horrid Croats did not keep all the money for themselves.

Death camps were one of the results of both the above situations. I do remember "Turn Left". One wrong decision, and...

But it's the same every time, isn't it? The human race never learns.

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Effic · 27/06/2016 22:20

My DP has no job. At 55 years old, has NO job. Do you understand that lightning ???? NO JOB. It's under press embargo but the company he works for employs over TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE in England and they are leaving. The rest of his industry will be following suit. Watch the fucking news, it'll be in there soon along with many many more.
Without a job, we can't pay the mortgage. The tiny amount of saving we had are wiped out by the stock market. So forgive me but I'm FUCKING FRIGHTENED.

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AllegraWho · 27/06/2016 22:22

Effic, I'm so sorry. Flowers

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FlumptyDumpty · 27/06/2016 22:29

Lighteningirll you are unspeakably naive if you think people's worries are based on nothing more than propaganda. The negative repercussions from this will be MASSIVE.

I speak as somebody with over twenty years experience in both the corporate world and government, having been involved in finance and risk. What are your qualifications to blithely dismiss the real concerns of many?

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Brokenbiscuit · 27/06/2016 22:30

EfficFlowers

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FlumptyDumpty · 27/06/2016 22:31

Flowers for Effic. Sorry you are being subjected to so much compassionless, boneheaded needling.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/06/2016 22:32

Effic, I'm really sorry. I wish I could think of something to say that would help.

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Effic · 27/06/2016 22:40

Honestly right now I just want to stay under the duvet and never come out. Or rant and rave :(

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365isalot · 27/06/2016 22:43

Peachstone i have no 'anxiety issues' and i feel exactly the same as you do, i feel like the bottoms dropped out of my world , especially on my childrens behalf. Last week i lived in a country i loved, this week i dont recognise it, its a very scary transition to make in a few days Flowers

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