Only for the leave voters - please!!!

[time4chocolate]

I don't want another attack on me I already feel battered and bruised from people on here -I was watching Muse 'Uprising'' at Glastonbury, they were bloody fantastic and the lyrics jumped out at me (maybe I am going mad I don't know) but they summed up what I feel about the EU and why I voted how I did. Worth a listen if anyones has a spare five minutes.

It doesn't mean animosity towards the migrants.

I know Woodhill but when you try to say that to Remain it falls on deaf ears. I don't think they actually want to believe it.

Their disappointment is so great that they need to vent at someone....and pretending they really believe that we're all raging racists enables them to justify their own behaviour.

So what's your vision for the future, now that the referendum is past. I mean, what do you expect/want to actually happen now?

Gordon Browne's episode with one of his lifelong voters YY and tony blair flooding poor communities with more poor then saying " rubbing the rights nose in it" playing political games with peoples lives.
Using immigration as a weapon

So what does the new Britain look like, from a Brexiteer perspective?

It looks a lot better than the bullet we just dodged - please see the headlines across several of the newspapers tomorrow regarding a possible European superstate. When posters have asked on other threads why leavers voted how they did, I dared to post my reasons, I explained that people were being very naive if they thought that the EU weren't holding back on a couple of bits of legislation that they would announce after we held our referendum for fear that if we knew about it we would almost certainly vote to leave and for that I was called unintelligent, illiterate and to quote one particular poster ......."the type of person who would spit on a Muslim child". That post was quite rightly removed by MNHQ. This is just the tip of a very large iceberg and all will come out in the wash eventually.

Bumblebzz

my aim is that we will not be governed by the EU but only by our own elected Parliament.

I think that covers it for me. Do you object to my aim?

what do you expect/want to actually happen now?

Leaving the EU would be a fantastic start...

Sorry to hear that Trini...perhaps she'll come to her senses when she calms down a bit.
To be honest I'm starting to view her differently now. Not because she voted remain. I understand that most people voted for what the think is best, myself included. But her subsequent shunning of someone who has always been a good friend and held her in high regard, is so unreasonable and disproportionate. And the longer she leaves it the worse it gets unfortunately. I am sorry to lose the friendship but it was only that on my end it seems.

Meanwhile on mumsnet I'm tired of arguing with the stupid and the hateful.

Well said Trini.

Unfortunately the arguments will continue, the protests, the disruption etc.

I saw a lovely piece on the news earlier about Weston-super-Mare - very positive. Just interviewing locals some of who voted STAY some LEAVE including a Romanian guy and a young Polish lad whose family moved here 12 years ago. It was so positive and upbeat - everyone just getting on with it.

Very much what it's like in my neck of the woods. The votes have been counted, the wheels have been set in motion .... and in the meantime we have to get on with our lives.

Trini I've just met someone I haven't seen since before the referendum.

He clearly assumed I'd voted remain and before I'd even spoken started referring to the Leave vote in terms of the Peasant's Revolt etc.

It wasn't a cut and dried decision for me to vote to Leave - I could see good and bad in both arguments...but I think even if I had come down on the side of Remain I now wouldn't want to associate myself with many Remain voters.

I'm stunned at the intellectual snobbery, arrogance, spitefulness, hatred, undemocratic view and just sheer vileness of so many Remain voters.

I'm actually starting to think they're as poisonous as racists themselves.

GreenishMe it's definitely another type of "ism" and just as demoralising, destructive and dangerous. I've come from a background of horrible domestic abuse, to me and my mother. Physical, verbal, emotional and mental abuse. As a child my only goal in life was to live to adulthood. I suffer from ptsd (full blow bad dreams, I get shell shocked if my lovely husband even slightly uses a cross tone with our dd, crying and rocking myself) and severe anxiety. But it has made me value freedom so much. I take nothing for granted. I think people have had such easy lives that they can't cope with not getting their way, can't cope with any kind of change or discomfort. It's sad really. In a way I'm glad my childhood shaped who I am. No matter what I will survive. And I would have felt the same if we remain in the EU. If they find a way of overturning this referendum, it's not staying in that will boil my blood. It's the disregard for democracy.

I'm actually starting to think they're as poisonous as racists themselves.

Absolutely Greenish, it's awful!

I think on MN you get to see how people really think because it's anonymous so they don't hold back.

There's been quite a few posters I've seen who are usually all over a benefits thread telling off people for 'berating the disadvantaged', these same posters I've seen this week being aghast that the 'turkeys voted for Christmas' etc (I bloody hate that phrase!), and 'uneducated' or 'ill informed' people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

It's so patronising - it's just as bad as the more vitriolic nasty stuff in my mind as it shows firmly where they place the working classes - as something to be pitied or used as a suitable project, but not actually as equal humans.

Trini
I agree it's our experiences that shape us - I have experienced nothing at all like you have but I've had to overcome lots different setbacks as an adult & like you I know that I'll survive.
If we're still breathing & still alive then there's always hope.

MangoMoon Thank you.

I do wonder sometimes if there is a natural leaning towards pessimism and melodrama here in the UK. My British (white if anyone cares) tends to be this way. He wants to leave EU (voted leave) but I really think it is the first time since I've known him that he hasn't dawdled in pessimism before coming around to a more practical way of thinking. We've e been married 11 years so lots of eye rolling 🙄 on my end. My MIL is also prone to histrionics but that's for another thread

husband... British husband is what I meant.

MangoMoon 💐

Mangomoon & Trinny - regarding seeing people in a different light I was just going to post something similar, I have been a long time lurker (but not prolific poster) on mumsnet for some years and particularly on the SN board and have had some great support and information from others on there, however, one of those supportive posters popped up on a Referendum thread and called me a racist .

I was actually thinking of starting a new thread asking if any one else had this experience - i was going to stipulate in my post complete non-disclosure of voting preference and just a simple yes/no answer but it wouldn't take long for that to go our the window once people see my other posts and it will turn into another them & us, so I decided against it - it's very

it's definitely another type of "ism" and just as demoralising, destructive and dangerous.

I totally agree, you only have to look on MN to see it in numbers. I believe it is a mixture of classism, capitalism and elitism.

time4chocolate I had a particular nasty exchange earlier with someone who, from previous posts, I had thought was caring, funny and helpful. The vitriol and condescending comments she so scornfully heaped on me made me 😲. I've hidden the thread and know now not to engage with her in any comments or threads she starts.

Asprilla11 I definitely agree it's all those things. Was trying to think of a word that encompasses all of it. In the meantime I'll call it remainism.... Just kidding of course.

Oh and I've never ever been anti-BBC but I am pretty disgusted with some of the coverage, I would go as far to say they have deliberately went to areas in the UK where they knew they would get the most controversial or worst opinions.

Lol at all the eye-rolling Trini

Considering we're all racist, ignorant wankers I've seen an awful lot of really nice, genuine, eloquent Leavers around on MN recently.

Definitely cup half full types.

Yes, that hadn't gone in-noticed by me too Asprilla11.

Also what I have been thinking of more recently is that all these people calling for a 2nd referendum and saying that if the racist minority who voted purely on immigration reasons knew, that by voting out, it wasn't going to change anything then maybe they would have voted differently - ie. We will overlook your racist behaviour as long as you are in our corner and we get the result we want - shocking!

"We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not comprised. We are interested and associated, but not absorbed". (Churchill 1938)

un-noticed

time4chocolate

We will overlook your racist behaviour as long as you are in our corner and we get the result we want - shocking!

If there was a 2nd referendum (please no) I can imagine Remainers trying to find all the racists or people who voted for xenophobic immigration reasons (rather than genuine ones) and saying "We will allow you to vote again, but you must not mention immigration and you must vote Remain" "Here is £10 for your trouble, that's a lot to you no doubt"