The Leave Campaign don't have a post-Brexit plan

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Faisal Islam says he was told this a couple of hours ago

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And why don't they have one? Boris never expected to win.

(Anna Soubry MP)

As evidenced by the complete lack of leadership about this hugely important and divisive issue post-referendum. No plan, no action, and where is Boris?

What an omnishambles.

All on fleek, as they say Elements. It's a bit like when you've decided to start a diet tomorrow, so binge on everything unhealthy in the cupboard so you can start afresh. Perfectly normal. Nothing to see here.

It's like this is not actually happening in the UK, rather a breakaway state in a faraway continent with an unpronounceable name....currency devaluation, politicians go AWOL, entire cabinets get fired and Standard & Poor downgrades credit rating etc.

Just fine and dandy, people .

Unless you need to keep your job, rely on benefits, have a pension, need equity from your home or any debt that is

I'm still waiting for a Leave voter to tell me what Plan I'm supposed to be "pulling" to. Haven't they been saying on thread after thread that everybody needs to shut up, stop complaining, accept the result and work together? Why will nobody tell me what I'm supposed to be pulling and what positive thoughts to think? Where are you all?

We're supposed to be contacting Sarah Vine and pitching in. I think they'll send us out to do trade negotiations.

Oh look there goes out AAA rating

My understanding was that the Plan isn't the responsibility of the Leave campaign, it was the responsibility of the government?

The Leave campaign claim that the exit plan was the responsibility of the government, while being run by people actually in government.

What they actually mean was 'not having a plan and putting it on the government enabled us to promise the rainbows and unicorns which won us the vote while not having any responsibility to actually deliver rainbows and unicorns'

YY Element..........work with what exactly!

My understanding was that the Plan isn't the responsibility of the Leave campaign, it was the responsibility of the government?

The government (Cameron, Osborne and most Tory MP's) warned voters not to vote Brexit. It was the leave camps job to put forward a plan - they didn't and clearly leave voters didn't care anyway.

Oh FFS, the leave campaign need to step the fuck up and sort this out.
Cameron and the majority of the government said this wasn't possible without MAJOR pain. What do you think they should be implementing exactly?
Agree to continue paying the EU to have access to the single market, allowing free movement of access but not getting the rebate?
Because that's what is currently on offer.

My bestest for Sarah Vine plan would be negative interest rates, big tax increases and a massive cross-industry brain drain

Do I win the plan prize?

But seriously,

itsallgoingtobefine, the plan - all plans - are the responsibility of people who say "my plan is better than the status quo so vote for my plan" else what could people possibly vote for?

You know, I woke up on Friday morning and was very disappointed in the result, but I actually did think for a while, "Hey ho, that's democracy." Then with growing incredulity throughout the subsequent hours and days, I realised that we were really just going to be left swinging at the end of the rope - it seemed there was No Plan apart from expecting the opposition to make it all happen for them.

I came on MN, remembering that there had been plenty of seemingly articulate and thoughtful Leave voters here, who might have a clue what they wanted to happen. And this is where I started to get a tad annoyed - based on the first crop of threads on Friday, apparently, what Leave voters really want to happen most of all, is for everybody to praise them lavishly . That's it.

There is a bunch of other stuff too, of course, which I have gradually gleaned from ongoing discussions. "Whaddawewant? To Take Back Control! Plus Some More Abstract Nouns! When do we want them? Oh, no rush, we were always intending to overthrow our European tyrants and seize our golden future... maybe in a few months, or years, or something. And everything is somebody else's fault. And-and-and nothing has happened anyway!"

Another analogy comes to mind: I walk into the living room and find my toddler has taken off her nappy and done a giant poo mural over the walls and furniture and is beaming proudly at me. Because I am her mother, I have to ensure I don't get angry, speak cheerfully and positively, and then clean the poo up although I didn't make the mess. I won't know for years to come whether the poo stains will ever come out of the upholstery. On the bright side, it may turn out that mustard yellow is in fact the perfect colour for my walls.

The Plan was to use the population's manufactured anger at a bogeyman trumped up by the tabloid press, and long used as a scapegoat by successive governments, in order to consolidate the power of two rich white Etonians within their party.

The only positive outcome for these guys of their Plan backfiring, is that the voters who believed in the bogeyman are too busy congratulating themselves to revolt. The illusion that they have "taken back" a control that they had never lost in the first place will pacify them for a while longer, while the welfare state continues to be dismantled from around them.

They will need to be handed another scapegoat soon, though, to distract them from directing any of their anger where it properly belongs. Foreigners, maybe?

Oh and it doesn't matter that the rest of Europe has been thrown into turmoil that will echo for a decade or more, and wake up the slumbering beasts of fascism there, because at least Boris and Cameron won't have to suffer any kind of meaningful consequences.

You remember the Brexit plan that Johnson finally produced (via the Telegraph)? The horseshit one that was promptly laughed out of Brussels?

Apparently Johnson was a bit tired when he wrote it, knocked it out too quickly and that's why it was shoddy. Not that he hasn't had a few months to work on it.

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And he has told his Tory chums that he will end EU free movement.

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The plan appears to be to tell people whatever they want to hear.

Voila! The Plan!
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/the-guardian-view-on-the-meaning-of-brexit-they-dont-know-what-theyre-doing

What's worrying about Dominic Cumming's blog that I linked to is that what might happen after was all about the UK. We might have a second referendum, we might not need article 50 blah blah. Nothing about how the EU might be expected to react.

Cummings and co had utterly failed to spot that the EU might refuse to negotiate before article 50, nixing any thoughts of getting a deal then putting it to the public. They are left up shit creek without a paddle. This is unforgivable.

I was hoping that giving charge of Brexit to Oliver Letwin is the political equivalent of quietly shelving the whole thing, but now we are completely frozen out of the EU until we either shit or get off the pot, I don't think there's any way out.

Letwin might not keep hold of it - Treasury Select Committee was told "At the moment it is under the charge of Oliver Letwin, who I think is completely unsuitable in the longer term. He has spent the last six years as a kind of consigliere of the prime minister. He has been absolutely at the heart of No 10. And that is not the profile needed for carrying its work forward.” by Lord Turnbull.

How diplomatic of him not to say 'completely unsuitable in the shorter term too'.

It avoids Cameron having to say 'that's the point, dummy, we're trying to duck out of this thing'