The Leave Campaign don't have a post-Brexit plan

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Faisal Islam says he was told this a couple of hours ago

twitter.com/simonnricketts/status/747055676413845504

And why don't they have one? Boris never expected to win.

(Anna Soubry MP)

As evidenced by the complete lack of leadership about this hugely important and divisive issue post-referendum. No plan, no action, and where is Boris?

What an omnishambles.

The past two days I have felt like I am watching an episode of The thick of it and half expect Malcom to come in shouting and swearing with a plan to clean up the mess.

If the situation wasn't so tragic it would be funny.

when Gove was Education Secretary and Cummings was his advisor we had the occasional Cummingsesque poster stridently posting on the Education threads in favour of Gove and all his works.

I wasn't on MN then, but it's interesting to hear this as it does stack up with what I've observed on the brexit threads. A small minority of posters are well trained in using the official talking points and never responding substantively to questions or challenges.

Not exactly out there celebrating/ gloating are they? difnt even plan a winning celebration party !

Not having an exit plan wasn't incompetency, it was deliberate.

Not declaring an exit plan was obviously a good strategy, but did they really not think they needed some sort of private plan ready to put into place? Or were they so confident of losing?

Like showme I am beyond disgusted with the whole thing.

Well it all looks like its not quite going to plan, from the body language and the silence.

Wow the silence.

It also explains when certain posters went a bit funny in the face of highlighting particular propaganda techniques...

It explains a whole, whole lot of things that were not quite adding up to me, and were just 'odd'.

It strikes me like some of our foreign friends are quite possibly wise to it too.

Michael Gove, spotted running away from his responsibilities.

Well Boris has apparently been in 'meetings all day' 'Guffaw Guffaw'. 'Pass me the wine hic hic' 'What the fuck are we going to do?'

Do you think someone's told him everyone is wonder the the hell he is?

Mitzy Love it - am wondering why he doesn't have a police detail - it took 20 Met police to get Boris out of the house yesterday

Those shorts are enough to scare any protestors off.

He does have - as was said about a Tebbit ... 'a touch of the night about him'

Although I am starting to believe I would rather be back in Thatcher's nightmare than this one. If I click my shoes will I go back to Kansas?

'There's no place like home, there's no place like home'

Daniel Hannan has just said that since he has been campaigning hard since Christmas, he will now be taking a month off Twitter.

I guess so he doesn't have to answer any awkward questions from the public like 'what do we do now?'

Hannah is starting to get a hard time from journalists now (though why it took them so long to start asking the right questions I have no idea) - there was an embarrassing clip of him being challenged about immigration today. He doesn't like it.

Hannan - fecking iPad!!!

Nobody gets it do they? It doesn't matter what Brexit or Bremain want or wanted the EU don't and didn't want the UK. They are happy to be shot of us and yes Nicola that includes Scotland. We played right into their hands.

As someone who voted Leave, I voted Leave NOT for the lead campaign.

I wouldn't want any one of them to lead us going forwards.

If they had been a plan then this would have divided the leave vote. So now it's time to debate what comes next and those who voted Remain have just as much of a voice in this than the Brexit voters. Winning the cote doesn't give the leave campaign any sort of power over what comes next and its vital that the Remain voters engage to ensure that those who voted based on immigration don't fuck things up by insisting the drawbridge is raised and we don't get the free trade agreement I believe we need.

Joys So when you buy a house you do so not knowing what the house will be like, the area, how many bedrooms, how much it's going to cost, whether you will be able to have friends round, can afford the payments or ever sell it again?

Do you really just say - I will buy a house ! No consideration of the implications - at all? I bet you don't.

Who on earth did you expect would lead this forward - the 75% of MP's and the PM who thought it was a bad idea for our country? The hundreds of experts who thought it was a bad idea for our country? And now the remain voters who thought it was a bad idea for our country?

Where is your responsibility in this if that was really your thought pattern? I get that some people believed that the Leave campaign would see it through - understandable especially if you do not understand the political set up. But fingers crossed is not a plan anyone should rely on

Joysmum, who is going to lead the discussions as both the Tories and Labour are tearing themselves apart? It's not a surprise that this would happen.

I'm reading all this and now looking up a few thing, the conclusion I'm drawing up, is not only was I right about a few things I couldn't quite put my finger on but also that not only are we screwed by Brexit, but those who have done it are frankly not particularly stable characters.

The ones we know about are bad enough, but they are backed up by individuals with political ambition that is quite alarming and have parallels in history.

I am really not feeling reassured about anything, and I am rapidly beginning to think that the rest of Europe are WISE to cripple us and kick us out of Europe.

I also know why certain parts of MN are populated by the 'unhinged'.

A very enlightening thread, which makes the world seem so much more crackers yet strangely understandable!

sits rocking quietly in the corner

I've just seen on Twitter that Boris has spent lots of time today planning and his plans are quite advanced.

Unfortunately they are plans for his leadership campaign. He's got nothing on Brexit.

What's unforgivable is the claims that it was up to the government to come up with a Brexit plan. These guys are the government. They knew they were dropping us in it, they just don't give a toss.

Red agreed. When the most obvious things are being ignored and you feel like it is the Emperors new clothes - it is the Emperors New Clothes

It was see through - and in front of us - but who the hell was protecting us?

I am so angry about this.

DC and Gideon went for the referendum in order to shut up the eurosceptics in their party. For their own political gain.

Boris not only decided to campaign for leave, he led the campaign, on the basis that he would lose, but that he would earn brownie points from the Eurosceptic Tory MPs, when the next leadership election happened.

They used our country as their own personal plaything, in their quest for power.*

This is what these people really think of you, peeps. Pawns in their game of thrones.

*I say "our". I am actually Australian, but I have lived here for longer than I lived there, and my life is here. It feels very much my country.

The plan to Brexit, as I understand it from a quick skim of the various threads on here:

1. Overthrow the cruel yoke of European tyranny which has crushed a proud people for too long? But in a slow and steady way, no hurry
2. Lose everybody who should be in charge.
3. Ignore any bad news, or claim it was made up, or say that it was going to happen anyway.
4. Claim any good news as being due to Leaving (wait, there's no good news? OK, see 3.).
5. Complain that the other side are being mean (this can be Remain, or what's left of the government, or the EU, as required).
6. All join hands and make happy wishes.
7. If that doesn't work, blame the other side and see 3.

Meanwhile, the plan from Remain:

1. Complain endlessly about the result.
2. Sign a pointless petition that won't actually get a 2nd referendum.
3. Be very worried about everything.

I'm probably a twisted individual, but it's all kind of funny, in a really horrible black humour way. Except that people's lives are being affected, in real and distressing ways, while this omnishambles carries on .

show When you want to buy another house, do you not need to agree to sell yours first before you can agree to buy another? I know nobody who has had an offer accepted on the next before gaining an offer on theirs.

kitteb Look I know it's not ideal, but I'd rather have seen us agree to leave as I believe that those who wish to stay, in addition to those of us who wish to negotiate for a free trade agreement and for whom immigration was never the issue (despite what many Remainers would have you believe) will form the majority opinion.

I don't know of a single person voting Remain who did so because they thought the EU was acceptable in its current state, more that they were scared to leave and can see the attractions of leaving behind the superstate dream and regaining the free trade agreement of pre Maastricht/Lisbon days.

So my plan, aim for a free trade agreement and this would be best negotiated by somebody that actually isn't anti immigration or anti EU. I would say that though because that mirrors my views!

I firmly believe the number of raise the drawbridge types are vastly outnumbered by the rest of us. Those people were duped into thinking we'd now be in control of our own borders.

I'm watching and engaging in the debate, this is more important to me now than the referendum was. A remain/leave vote was easy to decide for many, the what next question has infinite possibilities and quality debate is needed, rather than the usual 'you're racist' rants we've seen for the referendum. They didn't work.

What Remainers seem to have forgotten is that their opinions matter as much as those of Leavers. Remainers will be vital in pushing the free trade agreement agenda that the UK was in favour of.

Sanity Exactly. A shocking game of poker with our country

The Tory Party has to be punished for this

Well we have ineffective opposition.
I think there is possibly, something about the fact that Corbyn is simply 'too nice'.

The Liberal Democrats got simply wiped out.

There has been a deliberate oppression and cynicism about teaching people to understand media. (Funny how there is someone with a particular interest in education in the mix here)

Not to mention that as a rule, journalism isn't about the truth. Its about making money one way or another.

I've posted a few things in recent weeks that proved to have a certain particular extra ring to them as events have panned out and I've had the benefit of hindsight.

Its always about knowing what questions to ask though, and people do take things at face value, because people simply want to believe in something.

How can you protect people from that? Its something they want because they are missing something. A little bit of hope is a dangerous thing.