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Misconceptions about Leave Voters

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Asprilla11 · 25/06/2016 22:02

There has been a lot of ill-informed, generalising and just downright nasty lies and comments in the past couple of days, from BOTH sides.

I'd like to offer what I consider is a more accurate set of reasons and beliefs as to why people voted leave, as I did.

All the leave voters are racist or xenophobic and only voted because of immigration

Simply not true, you only have to look at the numbers involved.

17 million people voted leave, lets say all UKIP voters are racist (I don't know if they are as I am not a UKIP voter but for arguments sake) and all of them voted leave because of immigration (5 million max). Now lets say the odious Farage, Johnson and Gove persuaded another 3 million people to vote solely on immigration, who may or may not have had legitimate concerns about it, that is 8 million, which I think is generous to say the least. Were they all racist or xenophobic? I doubt it!

All leave voters are thick, poorly educated or even uneducated who didn't understand

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All young people voted remain and all old people voted leave and shafted their children and grandchildren

A few people who voted remain have pointed to a few surveys that have been done to find out who voted what way and what their backgrounds are. These surveys seemed to show that the younger people voted remain and the oap's voted leave. They also seemed to show that a higher proportion of people who voted remain have degrees (and higher) and so they must be more intelligent.

Whilst I don't doubt this could well be the case, I'd also point out the surveys were of less than 20,000 people, out of the more than 33 million people that voted, such a small survey size, even if you add all the surveys together is still far too small to be called statistically valid.
There is also the fact that people with a degree (or higher) are not automatically more intelligent, there are many degrees that would have no impact at all on how intelligent someone is when faced with a political decision. It's also naive and quite frankly insulting to suggest people who haven't been to University are less intelligent, it's another generalisation.

Leave voters thought there will now be zero immigration from the EU and are shocked to hear it won't be the case

Again simply not true. Most leave voters, (especially the ones who didn't vote to do with immigration) know fine well there will still be immigration from both EU and None-EU countries, they simply wanted the ability to choose the right people, from all countries that will bring an immediate benefit to the UK.

I don't doubt that some of the racist or xenophobic leave voters actually thought this would be the case, but they are in the minority, not the majority. Don't judge your opinions from forums, comments sections, radio and tv interviews because they don't add up to 17 million.

All leave voters hate immigrants

Nope and I would say it's only the minority that do, or may do. Neither do the majority want or expect the EU immigrants already here to leave, we just simply don't them to. However what some of the remain voters don't understand is that immigration in some areas of the UK does provide problems, espcially in the poorest parts of the country. Not all immigrants work and nor do all british people, put if you have a part of the country where unemployment is high, wages are low and housing is poor and then you move the poorest of the immigrants in to the same area then you are going to have tension, especially if some of the immigrants don't try to integrate. But if you also factor in that some of those poorer british residents are racist then who do you think they are going to target their fury at?

Immigration doesn't bother me, here in Newcastle we aren't greatly affected. I know EU immigration has been more than positive to the UK economy and diversity. I also know they pay in far, far more than they take out (there are much more british people who leech of the state compared to EU people) and provide vital roles in the NHS and care systems and much more. The issue isn't with where the immigrants come from it's with where they are going to live and the additional service needs it brings. It is a fact that there is not enough houses being built each year to cope with the current UK population growth rate, so when you add over 300,000 extra immigrants then we really, really do need more houses, more schools, more Doctors etc.

Personally I think a hold on immigration (still welcome refugees and asylum seekers) until those houses and schools are built isn't an unreasonable thing to consider. Or you bring in immigrants to build the houses and schools.

Leave voters are little Englanders who don't care about the UK or Europe

Again not true, in fact I think the lack of concern the UK has showed to Greece, Spain, Portugal and other struggling EU countries has been very disappointing and that includes remain voters. Those problems can't be fixed by the EU, it's broken. Look in to Jean-Claude Junker's history and interviews with him (before the referendum) and how the EU Commission vote, how much they spend on travel and accommodation and needless spending. The EU is corrupt and it serves the interests of only a few, not the majority.

The EU will fall apart in the next 2-3 years. But actually I'd like the UK to look towards forming something knew in Europe, that really helps all EU countries and agrees on trade deals (both in and out of the EU), immigration (perhaps each country has a ever reviewed limit relative to it's size etc) and legislation. The current EU does not have that in an open, fair and accountable way.

Have a read of these articles
www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/divided-britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/london-separate-city-state-leave-voters-class

And finally a video from Digby Jones (starts at 44 secs) is he a 'thick' leaver?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUZ5YOP6Ss

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Gwenhwyfar · 26/06/2016 00:51

"I have a masters degree work for the local government "

So what, the stats are showing a general trend, a few exceptions don't change that.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/06/2016 00:52

"a video from Digby Jones (starts at 44 secs) is he a 'thick' leaver?"

Isn't Digby Jones well known for not being very big on workers' rights? If so, I'm not surprised he wants to leave.

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 00:55

Interesting conspiracy theory about why Brexit won't go ahead

A bit laughable really, millions of leave voters voted that way because they are sick of EU and UK MP's who have no idea of what life is like for them. So now those people have found a voice and voted out, you think the Government would go against those people? There would be riots!

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Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 00:58

I'll say it again. Slowly. If you are sick of UK MPs who have no idea of the working life, why have you just handed a perpetual mandate to the right of the Tory party?

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 01:01

Alconleigh You missed out the EU politicians that I mentioned, who I believe are more corrupt than even the Tory party.

I also believe the Tory party won't win the next GE, whenever that may be.

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time4chocolate · 26/06/2016 01:06

Alconleigh - Because we have an opportunity to try and change it every five years if we don't like it and we do this by using the power of the ballot box because, guess what? We have a thing called democracy in this country.

Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 01:06

If it's after Scotland leave us, they will. I am ashamed to be English frankly.

Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 01:09

Membership of the EU should not have been subject to a populace who have treated it like the X Factor final. Flame away. Our populace is under informed, under educated and about to the shafted every which way to Sunday. But hey, it was democratic

Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 01:10

And you can't change this every five years. This is for life. And your kids lives. And theirs.

BMW6 · 26/06/2016 01:11

Alconleigh

Here have a Biscuit - your blood sugar levels must be dropping as you are confusing the Conservative Party with the EU (embarrassed for you)

Anna275 · 26/06/2016 01:13

One of the things I keep reading is how the older voters shafted the young people which OP has mentioned. For some young people, particularly those who are well-educated and live in metropolitan areas, the EU does indeed benefit them. But, and this a genuine question, do Remain voters believe that the EU has benefited young people in Spain, Greece and other similar countries? What would your advice to them be in regards to the EU?

Because I feel there is a disconnect where people are looking around and seeing all their friends (people in similar economic situations to themselves) thriving under the EU and struggling to understand how anyone could vote differently. But I would argue that the majority of younger people who live in Leave strongholds (because the percentages were so high there are bound to be plenty of young Leave voters in those areas) are probably in a much similar economic situation to younger people in Spain and Greece than to those living in London.

Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 01:14

I was responding to the point about changing every 5 years. I wasn't clear that poster was talking purely about the general elections. Still can't with a perpetual Tory mandate, but I can see people might not believe that yet.

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 01:14

Alconleigh

The EU is finished, a corrupt outfit that will fall apart in 2-3 years. When the dust settles there will hopefully be a better, more beneficial, fairer EU agreement sought, perhaps lead by the UK.

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BMW6 · 26/06/2016 01:15

If YOU are under informed I am sorry for you. You do not know the voting poulation so can only speak for yourself.
I wonder if you are projecting

Alconleigh · 26/06/2016 01:20

I'm not. Perhaps I was naive to believe that my circle reflected the nation. I think a lot of people feel the same. I thought we were open. And liberal. And welcoming. And diverse. And comfortable in that diversity. Apparently I was wrong. Apparently we are narrow. And jealous. And suspicious. And inward. And it's OK to be gutted about that.

time4chocolate · 26/06/2016 01:21

Alconleigh - 17m of us didn't consider this, well how very silly of us - we must have been too busy shouting racist abuse at our neighbours and dragging our knuckles along the floor.

Alisvolatpropiis · 26/06/2016 01:25

Not all Brexit voters are racist and stupid.

All the racist stupid people did vote Brexit.

A shame for the neither racist nor stupid amongst them but you got the result you wished, does it matter what the minority think of you?

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 01:26

Apparently I was wrong. Apparently we are narrow. And jealous. And suspicious. And inward

What have the MAJORITY of leave voters said that has made you feel like that?

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Valentine2 · 26/06/2016 01:27

anna
I have a question for you. Do you actually believe Brits leaving EU was going to give a boost to Spain and Greece and why?
And if you convince me on that point, then why didn't you think of all the youngsters of the north east of our own country who now stand to loose massively ? ( I don't believe it's hard to understand that 1. £ is only back up because Bank of England propped it up by using money from where... Yes you get it! From us tax payers. NOT from the EU! 2. of course the £350 million that got wiped off were mainly hypothetical although I will be paying for it too.

So back to your question: can you pls tell me what did you think leaving EU will benefit youngsters in Spain etc and why did you think of them rather than your own people back home?

Jodiebee1986 · 26/06/2016 01:28

Ive just shared that Lord digby Jones vid. Very interesting, as are a lot of people's views on this, none more so than the Russian coverage of the eu referendum. I just watched a keiser report too, unfortunately not technologically advanced enough to post on here. But it amazes me how different they tell the story. When they have no side, no vote.

Valentine2 · 26/06/2016 01:29

*Brexit voters are racist and stupid.

All the racist stupid people did vote Brexit.*

^this

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 01:29

All the racist stupid people did vote Brexit

So you think that no rich or highly educated people are racist? Really? I think there are plenty, but they voted remain because they care more about their wealth than they do about immigration. Doesn't make them any less racist!

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Alisvolatpropiis · 26/06/2016 01:30

One can be stupid and educated, to be racist is inherently stupid.

HTH

Alisvolatpropiis · 26/06/2016 01:33

Also, quote my post in its entirety next time, rather than just the bit you fancy getting in s froth about op. Context is everything.

Asprilla11 · 26/06/2016 01:35

I quoted the part of your post that was clearly inaccurate, no context needed.

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