To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

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Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Tory former Defence Minister Liam Fox:
“A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again,”

Code for: "We lied and our voters are just starting to realise" < gulp >

If Nicola Sturgeon vetoes Brexit (through a Scottish vote that gives no consent to the repeal of the European Communities Act as it applies to Scotland), she gives Boris or whoever is the next PM an "out".

She will also use the momentum to call for an independence referendum.

Boris or whoever can then placate/reward her with anything she asks for. But what does she want, apart from independence? A Conservative Government would sooner lose all access to the Single Market, than lose Scotland.

So Sturgeon is hardly Boris's "get out of jail free" card. His party will not forgive the break-up of the United Kingdom.

"But what does she want, apart from independence?"

The thing is while she wants independence, she also knows that it's not a sure thing that the people of Scotland do.

I'm sure more meaningful powers while still officially being part of the UK could be realistic.

Sturgeon knows that without the EU there will be no chance for the Scots, no defence against the likes of Farage and Johnson. Hope there will be a referendum soon.

She's a very very clever woman. This morning she constantly reiterated her wish for an independent Scotland did not come before what would be best for the Scottish people. Whether she really feels that or not I don't know, but what she can buy is time and favour. Time to get a coherent force behind Independence. Favour to get increased powers in the meantime. Or alternatively favour from the EU in respect of an Independent Scotland being given an automatic seat at the table.

Does Scotland want Proportional Representation in Westminster?

Um, The Tory Party might accept losing Scotland if they calculate they would rule rUK in near perpetuity.

It rules out Labour returning to power in a Lab-SNP coalition.

Hence my question about PR.

She could ask for a truly Federal UK, full power to raise taxes etc, i.e. just defence & foreign affairs at Westminster.

Could Nicola Sturgeon trigger a constitutional crisis that leads to a change in Westminster voting rules, and is it in her interest to do so?

Interesting question rice. Possibly. There's more call coming from that from right wing camps too. Maybe that will be our next referendum.

"Um, The Tory Party might accept losing Scotland if they calculate they would rule rUK in near perpetuity."

You overestimate the power of Scottish seats.

Twice since 1945 Scotland have swung which was the largest party.

Because she must know that an eternity of Conservative governments in Westminster is not in Scotland's interest, so that could be her "price" for side-stepping Brexit.

Now, here's a question: Scotland is independent. What happens in Northern Ireland?

I think bigchoc probably has it. If the will isn't quite in Scotland for full independence yet then the next nearest thing is Scotland hardly ruled by Westminster at all.

Northern Ireland has been strangely neglected in all this mess. With McGuinness now calling for ref on a united Ireland things have the potential to unravel there.

Northern Ireland has been strangely neglected in all this mess. With McGuinness now calling for ref on a united Ireland things have the potential to unravel there.

Hence my question. Anyone who's ever been there knows, it's like sitting on a Vesuvius in 78 AD.

There's a massive issue with brexit and the treaty of Belfast. They contradict each other on some major points. A massive one being the Ni rights to dual nationality. So we brexit and the Ni citizens are both eu and non eu citizens, which may not be possible. It's a fricking mess there.

I appreciate my simplifying there may make it look like less of a big issue as there are dual nationality people everywhere. Except that's an entire country so it's not simple.

I see no contradiction in people having one EU and one non-EU citizenship.

Plenty of people do.

It will just mean that NI people retain all the rights linked to EU citizenship - lucky them!

Rice, it's not as simple as that. As this referendum, Northern Ireland is still about lots of emotions. There is so much resentment. None of the nationalists want to see themselves under solely British rule. If Scotland start talking about independence now, Stormont will be listening very closely. And getting goosebumps.

Rice. It's not as simple as that or have you not been paying attention. Unionists , even if they have the right to dual nationality are not just going to pop it on like a straw hat.

One of the things that angered me most about the entire campaign was the fact that the break up of the UK was not pushed and pushed and pushed.

Instead it pandered to the English. Which is part of the entire problem and shows the mentality of it all.

The English think they are the centre of the entire universe and are rather arrogant about it all.

We suck.

It's not simple at all, there's the border question. A lot impacts on the republic too. Neither side of the Irish divide are looking at the English particularly favourably right now. Our uncertainty feeds more fears there than we have on the mainland.