To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

No I said on mass, it means the same.

why did you leave then and go to a country in which you clearly don't believe in?

No it doesn't.

The phrase is 'en masse'.

you knew what I meant right? so it means the same....

So because she's able to point out some flaws in their immigration policy that means she doesn't 'believe in' Australia?

I live in a country I wasn't born or brought up in. And I believe in it, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to its faults. Only North Korea is officially perfect.

Im just wondering why she chose to leave. Im also pointing out why huge numbers of people coming into a country and taking jobs that were already filled due to the greed of the wealthy would rightly upset most.

Doesn't seem like she likes it there much.

I don't really know why I should explain myself but I'll give you this one:
I married an Australian, we moved here because he wanted to be back home. There you go.

You came on this thread and made an attempt to belittle me. I wasn't about to let that happen. Im sorry you felt the need to go somewhere you don't like. No further explanation needed.

What huge numbers? If you read Thumbs posts she's pretty clear in saying that the number of illegal immigrants that make it to Australia are actually in very small numbers. And as for 'taking jobs that were already filled due to the greed of the wealthy', I'm not sure what that means? Legal immigrants often tend to do the shitty jobs that other people don't want and illegal immigrants are more often than not exploited, paid a couple of quid per hour if they're lucky.

And she makes a good point when she says 'happy to sell off the land, the mining rights, the utilities, the companies and the housing stock to people from Asia (Sino and Indo Asia)'. This is a common trick of governments, distract the populace with immigrant outrage so they won't notice that you're selling the country's assets off to the highest bidder.

what are you going on about Mitzy? I don't really care about what's going on in Australia at the moment.

I'm sure she's glad of your support though.

And just the kind of person that Farage and co were relying on to buy into their lies. Well done.

They're laughing at you.

What are you going on about Mitzy? I don't really care about what's going on in Australia at the moment.

Because what is happening in Australia is what is happening in the UK, e.g. distractions about EU workers, when the austerity economics of the Tories, decried by even the IMF, is the real issue.

In Au, the teeny-tiny number of asylum seekers becomes the focus of attention while huge chunks of the comparatively little farmland is sold to China, and property is increasingly bought up by non-residents.

Do try to think, beetroot2, it's so important.

As for thumb belittling you about the en masse/on mass, ahem, misunderstanding, I think you did it quite nicely yourself.

Unfortunately, voters like Rebecca are a sad side effect of the general right to vote. It's a pity there is no IQ test as a requirement for getting it but it's too late to rewrite fundamental citizens's rights.
Egalite, FFS. I'd prefer Rebecca not to drag me down into the mud of her mental vacuum.

citizen rights, of course

This would be truly hilarious if it wasn't so utterly appalling.

Did you really think Britain was going to be able to pull up the drawbridge and pour piss down on everyone trying to swim the moat? Just sever all ties? Sail off to her own glorious date with destiny?

I have finally found something to agree with in Bengalcat's posts.

"We are twice as dense as china, china is half as dense as us."

No argument from me. Turns out the UK is pretty dense!

beetroot2 - agree you're doing a great job of belittling yourself.

"on mass".

"A party who has always been in favour of the EU, e.g. the Liberals, could put in their manifesto that they would NOT take us out of the EU, since the referendum had no legal force."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-result-lib-dems-remain-liberal-democrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html

You're welcome.

"I don't agree with the House of Lords either but no one is asking me to vote on that."

Watch this space.

There no need for either side to be nasty to the other. Despite the vote being indicative most politicians accept it will have to be followed. I quite liked David Lammy's idea that we just ignore it but I don't think that's acceptable and I write that as a Remainer. Cameron was the only one brave enough to offer the people a choice and he can hardly ignore it now he's allowed that democracy to work.

I agree that we can choose a route other than joining the EEA or even the Swiss route - we can be as disconnected as any totally third country so no free movement. That is one of the more drastic solutions nad means just like when you import goods from the US on the internet there will often be a massive set of imprt duties to pay ditto if you buy in France and bring back here and vice versa. We can certainly have that. The rest of the EU will not accept us trading without the customs duties if we don't allow free movement of people.

I hope the Brexiters realise they have handed power in ther UK probably to BJ supported by Gove and that those of us on the ilbertarian right may see that as the silver lining in the cloud, a low tax, small state Britain. That is the only thing cheering me up although I would quite like a woman PM so if we get May I will be pleased with that too.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars

I don't know girlgonewild. I agree this was a democratic decision and should be respected - but there was no clear proposal of what life outside the EU would look like. It was all left deliberately very vague. so how should we give effect to it?

I think many leavers voted for NO freedom of movement and if they don't get that they will feel cheated of what they tried to obtain. But if we do respect that choice, then we've gutted the financial services industry which would be a core element of building our success as an independent nation.

if we do stay in the single market, would leavers want another referendum - as if the price is going to be accepting freedom of movement, we would have a better deal financially if we kept our existing terms.

it's a proper mess.

I don't disagree with you really. I just don't quite know what we are going to do.

Here you are: m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241?edition=uk

An admission that inevitably any deal will include freedom of movement!!!

(And many of us did warn of this beforehand!!£