To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Evening Well isnt the remain camp full of excited hysteria this evening over this. Rebecca, dont worry. The remainers are ommitting several key facts in their excitement (just sorry youve taken the brunt of it). Firstly, the people have spoken, in doing so they have given their mandate to the government and the government must act on that mandate.
Secondly, it was never for the leave campaign to execute the peoples mandate. That is for government to do. The people of the UK have requested their government to leave the EU. It is very clear that part of that understanding was to control immigration into the UK, a long with self governance issues etc. They have not requested Nigel Farage to do that, nor Daniel Hannan, nor Boris Johnson, nor Doris from Pizza express, it is squarely the goverments responsibility to do as the people have now mandated them to do.

Thirdly, who ever says 'in order to trade with europe you have to have freedom of movement' is talking utter bollocks. No you dont. You can trade with europe all you like, you may not get the pitiful discount offered to member states, but hey ho, thats all up for negotiation.

Fourthly, its ALL up for negotiation, and Daniel Hannan will not be doing the negotiating.
Fifthly, in demanding we take control of our own governance, we now demand a government capable of doing so. The days of oh well, he didnt say that in his manifesto, but never mind, are over.

If this evenings excitable remainers are jumping up and down beleiving 'ha ha ha all those voters will see we were right, how stupid are they', theyve MASSIVELY missed the point. Leave voters wont quietly slink over to the 'remain' camp, because some muppet (they still dont understand we dont like Farage either) is pre empting post Brexit trade agreements, Leave voters will simply demand the mandate is delivered. The vote was leave the EU. Not leave one little bit but keep some other little bits. Its leave the EU.
Daniel Hannan clearly missed the brief.

bengalcat
I just read your post on the link you posted. Nice to see you did all that calculation. But you see if my children thought they were a bit too tight here, they could go and live in EU and get educaction and healthcare and jobs. How will leave vote affect the calculations you have shown in your post? You haven't given any connection of the population projection with Leave vote. For sure, if you fear population density going higher than China, the immediate solution will be to seek more land? Not floating on our own island for a happily ever after ?

they still dont understand we dont like Farage either

Most of the Brexiters I know bloody love him.

Rice
I dislike any body of unelected officials regardless of where the institution is. I don't agree with the House of Lords either but no one is asking me to vote on that.

I never said we wouldn't have to agree a trade deal, think that was someone else.

And we haven't even brought the humanitarian and political sides of argument into the discussion yet.

Didn't Juncker stand up just yesterday and say that he wouldn't negotiate better terms for us, and that Februarys deal was off the table. He did this without the other member states. The founding 6 met this morning without the other member states to discuss Brexit......democratic? No!

Garlic _ I'm not a lover of Farage either.
Valentine - I have never heard of this binding law that says EU manufacturer have to manufacture all their good in the EU! I have heard of companies being given EU grants to set up manufacturing plants outside the EU in places like Turkey! Anyway I can't think of many EU companies that manufacture in the UK that are going to have to pull out.

cocory
Then you probably didn't research your options before voting Leave. They can't manufacture here. On top of my head I can't remember a better sample yet but there is this car manufacturer pulling out of Sunderland in case of BREXIT going ahead. Loss of 670 jobs or something. That's one I remember clearly. You will find it all with little bit googling.

That's Nissan not an EU manufacturer!

Secondly, it was never for the leave campaign to execute the peoples mandate. That is for government to do. The people of the UK have requested their government to leave the EU. It is very clear that part of that understanding was to control immigration into the UK, a long with self governance issues etc. ... it is squarely the goverments responsibility to do as the people have now mandated them to do.

How are you going to make them do this, do you think they just will because you want them to?

This information waa freely available before. But you're still going to blame everyone else for the fact YOU voted for this nightmare.

Rice - you do not need a trade agreement to trade. The whole of the EU hasn't had one for the whole time we have been a member. We just have to pay the tariffs. Currently the tariff for the EU is around 2.5% according to Nigel Lawson.

Sorry I meant to say the EU hasn't had an agreement with the USA.

It would be funny how outraged you are if it weren't so fucking SAD that you failed to work this out BEFORE you voted.

Be furious - but take fucking responsibility for your mistake, if you've decided that's what it is.

And as others have said - don't hold up the Australian immigration policy as some kind of gold fucking standard - we're just about to go into elections here, and one of the main propaganda points from the Liberals (Aussie version of Tories) is that the Labour party are "too soft on immigrants". We have "boat people" here - the last 2 elections I've been privy to observe have largely been fought over "stopping the boats". Hasn't happened though, no matter who is in - because they can't "stop the boats". If they bombed the boats (which I'm quite sure some of the neanderthal racist fuckheads would agree with) then it would cause international outcry and possibly war - but there is no other way to "stop the boats", not really. They will come and Australia have to deal with the people somehow.

corcory
Ah got it wrong sorry! For the other point, EU not being able to do manufacturing here, I think I am nearly 100% sure about it.

corcory
And did you just compare US and UK (even in the current state within the EU)? For some future trade agreement etc? Can you please give me some examples what exactly do you think we will do trade of? I mean what goods and what produce/products?

How many though Thumb? How many over the last few years? Is it millions, thousands?

This still is terribly vague bengalcat
I get that other people's land is for their children. But what you need to show is that if we don't leave EU now, the land would be more right than it would be if we stay.
Sorry I am too sleepy right now. But In your scenario, I will almost certainly prefer the current EU. That's a very large amount of land that you have just thrown away??

1000s, Beetroot - what exactly does that have to do with it? do you know how far it is across the ocean to get to Australia? Far further than crossing the English channel. Far more likely to die en route.

And yet - despite it being ONLY 1000s - it's STILL a major election point because god forbid Australia lets in any brown skinned people!! Huge row over us taking any refugees as well. And yet - happy to sell off the land, the mining rights, the utilities, the companies and the housing stock to people from Asia (Sino and Indo Asia). Odd, that.

It's all very sad to see people so desperate to keep other humans out, despite whatever they're leaving. And I get really pissed off when my DH and MIL go on about "immigrants" and take pains to point out that I am one, as was DH's father/MIL's husband. So - both married to immigrants and yet somehow letting them in is a bad thing.

Your post really personifies the average pig shit reason for voting Brexit. Rebecca you are very much the average village idiot. Oh shock, horror, politicians lied. That never happens.

You haven't got a clue then thumb have you, you have no idea what on Mass means then.

do you mean en masse? Yes I do know what that means. But it isn't relevant to the whole "Australian immigration policy" being a gold standard, IMO.

Australia isn't as easy geographically to get into as the UK - there can't be streams of illegal immigrants coming into Australia in the same way as they can into the UK.

And, yes, I do have "a clue", seeing as how I spent the first 42 years of my life in the UK.

However - even with the diminished numbers of "immigrants" coming in here, it's STILL a political standpoint - there are STILL huge numbers of bigoted little-islanders (despite this being a fucking HUGE island) who don't want to share.