To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

...if we do have uncontrolled immigration and have to implement EU laws then that missed the point of the whole leave campaign.

Indeed it did bengalcat, and that is why the OP is shitting herself and is shortly to be followed by many more. But you see, the EU people we negotiate with won't actually care.

Leave voters will simply demand the mandate is delivered. The vote was leave the EU. Not leave one little bit but keep some other little bits. Its leave the EU.

An interesting statement here chris, meriting some unpicking. I presume when you talk about keeping some other little bits, you're talking about remaining in the single market, membership of the EEA and/or EFTA. Which actually, nobody has voted on. Nothing in the Leave campaign said we won't be staying in the EEA and actually, a majority probably would go for that. Because nearly everyone in Remain would choose EEA over nothing and some Leavers would too.

I agree with you there's likely to be a lot of demanding from the Leave bloc on this when they realise, but unfortunately for you, you don't actually have any kind of democratic mandate to demand we not pursue EEA and/or EFTA membership.

BengalCatMum I was looking forward to the end of referendum so everyone could come together again.

Really? You thought that this referendum could be anything other than utterly divisive? That people on the 'losing' side would just roll over.

Maybe you could consider for a moment what the fallout might have looked like if the result had gone the other way? Personally, I think it would have been even nastier.

I can't believe, actually I can believe that people voted, having done so little/no research. Frightening.

I can totally believe it. It's way too complex for many, many, many people (myself included), to properly get their head around.

Politics and economics are inextricably intertwined. They're different sides of exactly the same coin. Whether that's a closed Marxist/Communist state/economy, or a free and liberal economy within a democratic state. You cannot separate the politics from its complementary economic system.

Too many Brexiteers voted for their preferred political option, without the first clue about what that inevitably means for the economy.

They're finding out now, though...

Agree oblomov although i don't think it is as simple as that. Far too much trust was placed in unscrupulous right-wingers who merrily led everyone to right where they wanted them

In the words of Ken Clarke, 'a referendum is a curious way of governing a modern and sophisticated country'.

I cannot imagine going into work and deciding on a long-term, far-reaching, complex decision, that will affect the lives of millions, by getting my team to vote on it. And with no plan to execute it.

We would be laughed out of our jobs.

If the vote had gone the other way, then the Outist leaders would not be popping up, as they have, to admit that their pre-election claims were false and unachievable. So the Outist movement will still believe itself to have been right.

I suspect you're right, PigletJohn.

I think the referendum has proved beyond doubt that this country is neither modern nor sophisticated.

Years ago someone gave me some advice which has been very useful to me. The advice was - if you make a mistake quickly learn from it and don't ever make the same mistake again. Once is stupid, twice is lunacy.

I am hoping so much that the British public get a chance for a second referendum and make the right choice this time. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Leave did say before the result that if they lost by a small margin it would be far from over. So it is not surprising Remain say it is far from over.

However I don't think politically a second referendum is fair nor a general election on a mandate not to serve the Article 50 notice to leave. Nor is joining the EEA (if they will have us) an option as we then have free movement of people which is expressly what people voted against here. If we leave the EU and join the EEA we still have mass immigration and are still subject to EU laws due to the EEA Agreement (except with the difference we no longer have any say in them). We have all known this throughout the campaign. It is not a surprise to anyone.

Nor is joining the EEA (if they will have us) an option as we then have free movement of people which is expressly what people voted against here

But it wasn't, was it? It was what some people thought they were voting against. But there were no concrete proposals, no policy promises, just airy and contradictory promises of a Swiss/Norwegian/Canadian trade model, and then other times talk of 'control'.

And people filled in the blanks for themselves to create their preferred road to the sunny uplands. I think it is almost inevitable that a large chunk of leave supporters are going to feel angry and betrayed by the end of this process.

Blaming the Remain camp for not being more effective at counteracting the Leave camp's lies rather than laying the blame firmly at the door of a) the Leave camp who said the lies or b) yourself for not doing a modicum of research to educate yourself against the lies 😂😂😂😂

I have truly heard it all! I know a lot of the Leave voters blame someone else for the country's predicament but now this??! Just mind boggling.

decaff " How are you going to make them do this, do you think they just will because you want them to?"*
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Yes, thats exactly what a referendum demands. The people have spoken. The people have mandated their government to act on their instruction. Now the government must do it. The fact its hard, or gives someone a headache, is tough shit.

While clearly joining the EEA would raise the issues you mention, why is it not an option? I'm not saying it wouldn't cause a shitstorm amongst the millions of people who did as OP did, but how does that mean it won't happen? It's clearly the better economic option, so it's in our interests. It's also in Germany's, and that matters more than most of the rest of the EUs interests.

And the people doing the negotiating on our behalf are more likely to go for it than leaving entirely. Think about who the PM is likely to be. It might be Boris, who is at best lukewarm on leaving, spent Friday singing EU praises and has a record for pragmatism. It might be Theresa May, who was a reluctant Remainer. Neither of these two is ideologically Leave, let's be honest. How likely is it that they'd act against Britain's economic interests, which shutting us out of the single market would be, in order to achieve full separation from the EU? There are some people who'd do that but they're not going to be at the negotiating table.

My post above was to girlgonewild, I should've included her name in the original post.

I personally voted leave in the full knowledge that we would end up in the EEA. That's what I hoped for.

Yes, thats exactly what a referendum demands. The people have spoken. The people have mandated their government to act on their instruction. Now the government must do it. The fact its hard, or gives someone a headache, is tough shit.

Why does the government have to act on voters' assumptions, and just who is going to make them, and how?

You're the sort of leave voter I was thinking of when I said actually there'd probably be a majority in favour of EEA over nothing ducky. While I don't think they're in the majority within the Leave camp, there are clearly a significant bloc of Leave voters who want access to the single market without EU membership. As virtually all Remain voters would choose EEA over nothing at all, the two groups together are likely to constitute a majority. I don't personally think EEA membership offers us any great advantage over EU, but then that's not necessarily what we'd be asked.

I really don't think a 48/52 (ish) split is a mandate to do anything. First time I have ever agreed with Farage on something

(Just to clarify, I voted remain !!! But I have watched the two campaigns with despair as the leave lied their faces of and remain just didn't ever really fight back. And no, I can't campaign myself, I am in a politically restricted post)

A mandate is not an instruction. A mandate is a permission to do something. There's a big difference. We don't make the laws, we give the law makers the permission to do that on our behalf. We can get rid of our government but we cannot force them to do anything.

throwing don't worry, I'm sure most of us at some point have agreed with something he said. He does make sense sometimes. Just generally not in a wider context!

Secondly, it was never for the leave campaign to execute the peoples mandate. That is for government to do. The people of the UK have requested their government to leave the EU. It is very clear that part of that understanding was to control immigration into the UK, a long with self governance issues etc. ... it is squarely the goverments responsibility to do as the people have now mandated them to do.

All that the referendum result does is to ask the government to leave the UK. Chris12345, if you voted for leave in the belief that you were telling the government to cut immigration come what may, you are yet another of the many who are now admitting they based their votes on a lie.