To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Most exports buy in raw materials and components from abroad, which would be more expensive with the weaker pound.
Very few manufactured goods are 100% British

curlie
I am laughing my head off on you. Do you actually believe that getting out of EU means house prices will get lower? For how Longford ? And in which areas ?

"For How long "

On the point about leave voters being thick or racist. I totally understand where this view point comes from, there are certainly ample examples. But as an alternative example, my Dad voted leave, he's always been anti EU, he is definitely not thick or racist cunt (albeit he is a Tory).

In his case, and I suspect what may account for such a large leave vote in his generation, is that the current EU has so vastly moved on from what they originally voted for all those years ago. His generation seems to find it hard to get passed the EU evolving beyond what they originally voted for and I think this also fuels a lot of the fury about it being such an abomination to democracy.

I still think leaving was a horrendous decision and I'm really so cross with my Dad for the sake of my children, but, there's is a non thick racist point of view there in the leave camp...

Big choc, there is another way: www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-how-to-get-new-vote-on-uk-membership-a7102646.html

Was the information about immigration available on Fb memes ?

Next time keep it short, keep it simple, and use pictures.

Thank you BigChoc for clarifying that for me. I was just hoping that because there were so many lies involved , the referendum could somehow be declared invalid and we could get out of this nightmare.
The petition is apparently approaching 2 million.

Let's say a house is 300k in the worst part of London (that's nearly the average house price in uk too right now). Let's say i earn an average uk salary (London average is well below 40k mind). Now tell pls: if the house prices go down (Cameron absolutely clearly warned that they would go down "compared to what's expected" and didn't say they will actually go down much or even how much EVER), how much of a mortgage do you think I would be able to afford?

And how much the banks would offer me, if at all.

My messages about house prices point is aimed at you curlie

A party who has always been in favour of the EU, e.g. the Liberals, could put in their manifesto that they would NOT take us out of the EU, since the referendum had no legal force.
If Remainers feel sufficiently strongly, then they can vote on that one occasion for the Liberals (or for Labour, if they also put Remain in their manifesto)

I think that there were so many disaffected voters that they are going to have to put some really concrete proposals in place. As people thought they would get with vote leave: £350 million which could be spent on the NHS. Many bought that because it was a concrete statement.

peregrina
I think counting on a general election is a very bad idea at this stage. Each of these politicians has seen the situation since 23rd June. Every single on of them would keep EU firmly on the top of their agenda now if you ask for a general election as a kind of vote for EU.
I don't think there is anything wrong in asking for a second referendum right away of so many people realised they were wrong and so quickly too!! What's undemocratic in that? Let the world laugh. They ain't coming to save us are they? And I think it's a thing to be proud of: we are able to recognise our mistake quickly and move forward to rectify it.

FFS. What an idiot!

I blame the remain campaign

For fucking fuck's sake.

Light must bend around you.

My mum also voted leave and didn't realise this. When I pointed it out to her she was like 'Oh' but unfortunately she had already posted off her postal vote so I didn't bother arguing with her, amazing!

Initially I was actually going to vote leave and changed my mind once I read up more about it. This is one of the main points that made me change my mind.

I have this horrible suspicion that no politicians made any plans what to do after Brexit:

Farage isn't an MP, isn't required to be serious, so is batshit.
Bojo really needs to get serious, but I'm not sure he knows how
Cameron didn't think it would happen and is just serving out his time.
Corbyn doesn't do planning; he is still in rebellious backbencher mode.

I pray presume the Civil Service have contingency plans - they plan for everything imaginable. It still needs a PM to formally take a decision and choose one of the options the Cabinet Secretary presents / handfeeds.

Currently we have a political vacuum - I have no hesitation in describing both Cameron and Corbyn as this
Unfortunately it also describes Bojo.

I want a General Election to decide important issues, not manic referenda. Then it's clear who has to clean up their own mess.
Remain is clear enough. Leave is "gamble we'll get a good deal". Ok, mainstream parties each choose one of these and put it to the electorate

And nature abhors a vacuum..

I'm hoping Mark Carney might have a foolproof contingency .

Maybe.

A 2nd referendum might be 52:48 the other way, Best of 3 ?
We've always accepted GE results in the past, even if we've hated them.
I remember all of MrsT's victories. I never one contemplated voting for her, but I always regarded her as the legitimate PM, like 99% of the counry.

Based on everything I've read, this hasn't been decided yet. It has been suggested that we have the same deal as Norway but it isn't written in stone. No formal agreement has been made yet.

The next PM will enter into negotiations about this very thing.

I could not dig; I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob,
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?

Kipling (spotted in a Guardian article by Nick Cohen today)

We've always accepted GE results in the past
…..still a referendum… still not an election.. still different things and it's still relatively normal to have repeat referendums….

Negotiations cannot start until the PM invokes Article 50.
Cameron says the next PM should do so
Boris says there is no hurry
The EU is saying don't keep us all hanging around. Invoke now !

The markets and international businesses won't wait around for a PM to be found, then to negotiate for 2 years. They'll just move to countries which know what the FUCk they are doing and whether they are in / out / between the EU or EEFTA.

A 2nd referendum would have to reverse the decision by a large majority, not 52:48
Remain would need at least 60%, maybe 65% to avoid farce and demands for #3. We have nothing like that consensus
A GE is more final.

My messages about house prices point is aimed at you curlie

Google it.