To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

According to some eu law expert...I've forgotten his name, the Lisbon treaty doesn't specify what constitutes invoking article 50, the assumption is that the PM sends some sort of document, but actually if Cameron discusses negotiations about leaving at the next scheduled meeting after the weekend they could well decide that's it invoked.

I don't know how robust that is, but it was reported on the BBC news channel earlier today.

BigChocFrenzy I'm aware of this but my point is, this has never happened before so comparing Norway to any deal we might end up with is moot. Norway was never in the EU so they didn't negotiated out, nor did Switzerland.
We will, when forced or in our own good time, negotiate our terms. Isn't that what Article 50 is all about?

Who thinks that the EU leaders will accept a second referendum? I don't for sure.

Valentine - I don't disagree with you. I have signed the petition for a new referendum. I have also written to my MP who was in the Remain camp, and who represents a constituency with a large pro Remain vote on an 81% turn out.

But I do think we need to be aware that there are large numbers of disaffected people out there and have some positive messages for them. They bought the story of £350 million for the NHS and curbs on immigration. They now know they were lied to. We have to tell them exactly what Remain would offer.

There are still Brexitters out there saying that our comments are just sour grapes - but I am still bemused as to why Gove, Johnson, et al. are silent.

A colleague told me he voted brexit because he is sick of forriners coming here without jobs, taking our benefits and sending them back home. What is the truth in this? I didnt know how to respond other than to say that even if that was the case, how did that make any difference to his life?
Can anyone tell me if there is any truth in his belief?

"We will, when forced or in our own good time, negotiate our terms. Isn't that what Article 50 is all about?"

Once it's invoked we have 2 years to negotiate and if we're not happy at the end of those 2 years we can ask for more time, but they can just pull the rug and we leave with nothing in place.

Who thinks that the EU leaders will accept a second referendum? I don't for sure

It's not up to them, it's up to Britain to leave, and britain hasn't left yet, we've just had a non legally binding referendum. as of yet there is nothing official to go back on.

Not everyone who voted to leave is stupid but people who voted to leave on the basis of immigration have about as much brains as plankton.

oh if only you had access to the internet.

Who thinks that the EU leaders will accept a second referendum?
They seem to be more than happy to accept it from other member states

Why are all these people not on the thread asking if you had your time again what would you vote?

curlie
Guess what? Unlike Leave voters, I DO check things on at least Google. But I knew you won't because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Anyway, the answer to my question is that I won't get any mortgage offer and I won't be able to buy a home.may be a bedsit for my family of four. AND the younger generation for whose chances you just managed to vote so stupidly for, is NOT going to be able to afford even a toilet around London in few years time.

The situation is not like a General election. If we don't like a Government we can boot them out in five years or sometimes less. In this case, this is a long term vote with no known end time.

Do EU leaders have to accept a second referendum? It's not something we normally do in this country. We have only had two in our history and the vote has gone the way that the Government of the day wanted.
However, the EU has accepted rerun referenda in other countries where they are a more normal way of doing business.

I certainly think that if we had another referendum then they would have to specify an agreed turnout must be met and that there must be a decisive majority, as indeed the petition calls for.

I'm on the 'remain' side ( but am abroad and my postal vote didn't arrive on time). But I have to admit to being appalled at the amount of dishonesty and subterfuge in this campaign, worse than any other campaign recently. Really think there should be some calling to account on this. I don't think the electorate should be picking their way through lies and half truths and then being blamed for making the wrong decisions.

exasperated
I Luke be wrong but I think I have read that the percentage of people getting these benefits is well below 1%. And as for the jobs they are taking here, since it's obvious that the trade agreements will make sure the labour movement doesn't stop, the whole point of his vote is rather lost isn't it?
I don't know how many such idiots I have seen so far.

To the person who said that a lawyer had said that maybe the clock had started ticking on Article 50, I would imagine that Cameron's answer to that has to be that the Referendum was only advisory and is not a formal decision until it's passed by Parliament. But who knows?

bigchoc
Referendums and elections are two different things. You realise that don't you? While you CAN get another election in few years time, you WONT GET ANOTHER EU again. Neither will you get £250 billion back. Nor all the jobs that are in danger now. Does that make sense?

CallarMorvern , ive heard today that brits abroad will have to return home xxx

I'd go for Best of Three over a GE.
I fancy my chances on that one...

A GE would mean UKIP got into parliament.

caller
^ this x 100

bigchoc - We won't be able to go back in 5 years or 10 years time and say, we'd like into the club again. We will be told to take a running jump.

Unless of course the EU no longer exists because of other nations clamouring for a Referendum and then we will go down in history as the nation which broke up the EU.

curliewhirlie seeing as you cannot justify cba to explain what you mean about Brexit meaning more people suddenly being able to get on the property ladder, I'll help you out.

The estimation is that it might result in a short term slump in property prices of c8%. It also means that the availability of housing stock would massively slump too as people would not be selling. There is no suggestion whatsoever of any increase in house building. It also means that interest rates will increase so the prospect of getting a mortgage of say £300 is much less than it is at the current point in time. Add to that the very real prospect of recession and unemployment rises (particularly in the property sector as the investment in property will go down massively due to Brexit), banks will be even less willing to lend. If interest rates rise by even 1%, along with income tax, this will negate any advantage hoped for by a fall in property prices. It will mean instead that thousands of homes will just fall into negative equity.

And if, by extrapolating from your argument, this will mean house prices will stay low for the next two/three generations, it'll go one of two ways: a long term slump in house prices due to depression, or the economy will have recovered (nay, flourished!) through Brexit, in which case house prices will bounce right back up again.

HTH

If we wanted to rejoin the EU after leaving then we would have to adopt the Euro and maybe Schengen.

We also have to get all 27 member states to agree to it.

If the £ continues to tank then the € might be the better option.

Shazzarooney999 - I won't have to return home. Though would quite like to despite this while sorry mess, but that's another thread.

Really think there should be some calling to account on this. I don't think the electorate should be picking their way through lies and half truths and then being blamed for making the wrong decisions.

You mean like saying that the public have a reasonable expectation to be told the truth, because the law on advertising is as follows:

www.gov.uk/marketing-advertising-law/regulations-that-affect-advertising
Advertising to consumers

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations mean you can’t mislead or harass consumers by, for example:
including false or deceptive messages
leaving out important information
using aggressive sales techniques

Next to this, and this:
www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/leave_ministers_commit_to_maintain_eu_funding

Noting here of course that no one actually ever had the ability to guarantee anything....

UK law rests heavily on the premise of 'Reasonable Expectation'.
Anyone know a heavy weight lawyer who is pissed off we can call in to save the day like Ghostbusters?