To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

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Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Oh, but you know who Jonathan Hill was. He was part of the "unelected EU dictatorship". One of the nasty "unqualified undemocratic unaccountable elite" robbing UK of its sovereignty. Gove wanted them out as soon as possible. Leave should be jumping for joy at Hill's resignation.

At present, this doesn't look to me like an organisation which is going to bend over backwards to accommodate us.
It's very early days, I think everyone's still shocked by the result.
Not unheard of for politicians and EU officials to say things they don't mean in the heat of the moment and later change their minds

I'm just going to come out and say it, without apology. No one who isn't deeply stupid voted leave. It's atrocious and embarrassing that the rest of us are getting fucked because of stupid people.

(And that's being charitable. There might be some people who are not stupid but just colossally awful, I will concede)

and it did before? Cameron's 'deal' (which is now cancelled) was very minimal. The EU told us 'take it or piss off'.

So why do the Brexitter's feel that we can negotiate a deal? Ah, Germany exports a lot to us, so will accommodate us. I expect that Germany will find other markets.

And many who are both!

Oh for fucks sake give yourself some brownie points you spotted a typo.
And have a slice of this for your clever work.

specialsubject what are Remainers screaming about?? Er, the immeasurable loss to this country of the HUGE benefits we get from the EU - eg £1bn (approx) pa of research funding; environmental protection without which you can be sure that eg sea quality and beach qualitywill go back to their pre1970s levels, or unregulated air quality levels; infrastructure spending from rebates; arts funding; research funding (eg c16% of postgrad researchers in stem are EU nationals); loss of financial institutions (eg Morgan Stanley already moving one site to Frankfurt)... This is aside from all the other more widely discussed issues such as the benefits of EU immigration (eg contribution to things like nhs, public sector jobs, net contribution to tax more than that paid out), cultural benefits, etcetera.

These are just the benefits of the existing situation - it doesn't even touch on the giant calamity of what is now likely to happen now that the Leave vote has actually won - break up of the UK, constitutional crisis (ie Scotland leaving), NI being royally fucked (incl destroying peace process), inevitable widening of rich/poor and North/south divide, rise of extreme nationalism, recession/depression, unemployment, higher taxes, inflation, fall of pound, rise in interest rates, slashed health and welfare spending, civil unrest (look already at the divisions that have started), political shambles.

This is a massive unconscionable disaster, and the OP is an example of how a decision of this magnitude seems to have been made by people based on Sun and Mail headlines. This is not sour grapes from Remainers - it is trying to explain just how much this matters.

Well I think as many have said already on this thread it is a good idea to check things before acting precipitously...

I think the EU are trying to protect their own backs and show some solidarity by making it look like everything is under control and we are just a distraction to day to day running.

I think they are being hard on us to set an example.

And yet another arse (yes, you happy) throwing around the word 'bully'. Here is some news for you. People being rude, unpleasant, angry and disrespectful on an open forum for functioning adults is not bullying. I am so bloody sick of this powerful term and concept being diluted so as increasingly to be meaningless when all you mean is I don't like what you said I am going to make you shut up. There was an arse like you around last night too.

Yes b and b. Well put. Unfortunately I think those that voted leave and now apparently regret it might not understand.

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OK, OK. OK.... let's unpick this - Rebecca2014, could you sketch out where you were picking up information from before the referendum? Obviously you were chatting on MN, did you watch the TV debates?

Do you have a preferred newspaper, or favour a particular news/discussion website?

YABU to blame leave campaign lies on the remain campaign. It's not the remain campaign's fault that facts seemed to bounce of the rubber veneer of nostalgia and myth stoked up by the leave campaign.

"No one who isn't deeply stupid voted leave"

Now, that isn't fair. Plenty of people voted Leave on sensible, justifiable grounds.
I haven't yet spoken to anyone who voted Leave because IMMIGRANTS who isn't deeply stupid, but I'm not ruling out the possibility (god, it sucks to be a cuddly liberal)

Many of the places who voted for brexit are like turkeys voting for Christmas.

The north east where many jobs rely on agriculture and manufacturing.

Cumbria where they were due to get millions of EU funding that the government and insurers wouldn't supply for flood damage.

Wales who get loads of funding for infrastructure and charity projects.

Cornwall who receive EU funding for beaches and environmental issues.

Lancashire where I live have had £1bn plugged into it in the last 5 years for town centre projects.

It is beyond me.

"A 2.5% tariff on the cost of anything we buy from them with the devaluation on the £ means things will actually be cheaper."

This whole thread is thoroughly depressing, so I've decided to nit-pick this particular random bit of ignorance. Rethink that one.

Snap Gunting. I just posted exactly the same re turkeys and Christmas on another thread.

I'm a Welsh remainer and I am completely fucking fucked off with people like Rebecca NOW deciding "oh shit what have I done". You have destroyed our country.

Mine and my husbands jobs are at risk, our area is HEAVILY funded by EU money, our NHS resources are massively stretched and waiting times are horrendous. Our local housing market and economy are shot to shit and NOW I have to put up with people like you finally realising how this is going to play out.

I have some level of respect for the leave voters who actually researched and stand by their decision. people like you Rebecca make me bloody angry, as do all the people generalising my country and tarring us all with the same stupid brush.

Shame on you.

I've seen a lot of UKIP jeering and back slapping on Twitter too. This 'hilarious' meme just shows blatant xenophobia for the whole world to see. It's fucking embarrassing.

Actually, I was reading this today: britainthinks.com/sites/default/files/How-To-Talk-About-Immigration-FINAL.pdf (because I'm all about moving forwards)

It is possible that the processes going on in the OP's head left her literally unable to take in the message about immigration. Psychology is a fascinating thing.

What saddens me most is the way that the majority of the Leave votes came from older people - people who had low house prices, free university education, decent pensions. And they have robbed our young people of opportunities to avoid huge tuition fees, broaden their horizons by working elsewhere but not too far away, learn new skills and new languages. It's an appalling thing to have done.

I agree that not all Leave voters are stupid. The ones who voted Leave because of Immigration issues - that's another matter.

Midsomer people have killed themselves over cyber bullying so yes it is a real issue. You are now just talking amongst yourselves as op left the thread pages ago but sure this thread will go on 20 pages more.

(gunting - I have to ask - is your name the indonesian for 'scissors' or the martial arts technique, or something else?)

Oh for God's sake. Midsomer's point was that you are complaining about bullying when in fact you are not being bullied. She didn't say cyber bullying isn't a serious issue. Can you understand the difference??

The thing is, you could reasonably have sensible issues with the EU, but if you thought about it for two minutes and considered the implications of coming out and voted leave anyway, you're stupid. The sensible reasons might not be stupid, but thinking this is a price worth paying for them is.