To think that Boris didn't actually want Brexit to happen

[hownottofuckup]

And that something else was afoot entirely?
Possibly with David's support, or knowledge at least.
There's been quite a bit about the divide between him and his family (not that that means much necessarily)
His propaganda for leaving was ridiculous in the extreme (£350 million a week for the NHS?)
His reaction since the results were announced
I can't help but wonder if he seriously misjudged the voting populace and this was never his intention at all. More a tactical move with a view to securing something else entirely, purely for his own personal gain.
You could never really accuse Boris of being in touch with the 'common people' after all.

He's been caught out, he lied and fudged facts in an attempt to get to this situation.

He's fucked whatever he does. If he invokes article 50 and takes us out of Europe he'll be remembered as the man who campaigned for, and then led something that damages the UK permanently.

If he runs for leadership and doesn't invoke article 50 he's finished.

If he doesn't run for PM he's finished.

Bojo has finally trapped himself in a corner. He's a craft, clever politicain and a skilled liar, but he's finally caught.

Well...quite.

Cross posts smallfox. Although I agree with you as well!

No reason to believe Brexit will 'damage Britain permanently' and no economist has claimed that.

However Boris is a awful man, a massive egoist!

Ah good. There's some hope for my great great great great grandchildren then.

No but the economists have predicted at least 10 years of economic uncertainty. Where we will be after that is anyone's guess.

And let's not forget that that uncertainty = job losses, shrinking pensions and seriously poor quality of life for all but the 1%.

"No but the economists have predicted at least 10 years of economic uncertainty. Where we will be after that is anyone's guess."

Where we will be in the EU after that is anybody's guess, except one thing for sure, we would be a very much more overcrowded and angry society even than we are now.

Uncertainty isnt always bad anyway. Ten years uncertainty simply means they find it hard to predict, well we dont need to be told economists are bad at that - these are the same economists who failed to predict the 2008 crash!

Here is one who did. Steve keen
www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2016/06/27/what-next-after-brexit/

Overcrowded? Why? I thought leavers keep on saying immigration has nothing to do with it.

" Where we will be in the EU after that is anybody's guess, except one thing for sure, we would be a very much more overcrowded and angry society even than we are now."

Unfortunately I think those in British society who have been most harshly affected by globalisation and (understandably in many cases) voted for Brexit thinking it would help overcome problems caused by zero hour contracts, employment uncertainty, minimum wages etc, will be a lot angrier once they realise that the UK's economic situation will be a lot worse now we have left the EU. And that they will be even more exposed without the worker protection legislation afforded them by EU legislation.

Are we going to stop people living so long and/or limit production of children? They're the things that will cause overcrowding!

Aerfen, the damage Brexit will do is not limited to economic damage. Splitting the Union up will undoubtedly cause damage.

Ohhhh the economist failed to.predict the 2008 crash.

How is it then the already a huge amount of what was forecast is reality?

It's true no one can predict the future but you can make.a good attempt to forecast it. Also uncertainty is nearly always bad. You arm chair economists are starting to get on my nerves. Keep sticking your fingers in your ears .

My impression is that a lot of the general public gave the issue considerably more thought that Boris did, knowing that it was an important issue. By contrast, for Boris it was just a laugh.

I don't really agree. The number of "regrexit" posts on here, in the media etc shows that a lot of people didn't understand. The horror when it was realised that immigration will probably remain at the same level and their won't be £350 million for the NHS was palpable.

But then brexiteers have always just paid attention to what they want to hear, not all of the available information.

Boris in Feb 2016! Just proves how power hungry the man really is

quiet possibly the most sensible thing he's said!

Someone's dubbed the Downfall clip & it's brilliant.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-downfall-hitler-video-meme-eu-referendum-bunker_uk_57737efce4b081f48abaa055

Oh I do like those Downfall dubs.
That's great :D
"and you Gove came up with people have had enough of experts"!

JudyCoolibar
Brexit cannot be blamed if the treacherous Sturgeon uses it to have another bash at breaking the union.
Of course as an ambitious Scottish opportunist she is ever alert to any excuse to call for another referendum.
Like bad tempered Bremainers she will not take a No from the Scottish people as an answer.

But I have more faith in the good sense of the people in Scotland (many of whom are British and not even ethnic Scots), and I think they will not want to risk border controls along Hadrian's wall, still less restrictions on their right to live and work south of it. When they realise this risk, the attractions of independence from the UK, while remaining under the undemocratic behemoth of the EU, will be far less, despite the money the EU has thrown at them.

There are more Scots living in England than in the EU. Twas ever thus.

If Brexit couldn't work out that success would mean the Union breaking up, then they're even more stupid than we all thought.

I'm part Scottish though I wasn't in Scotland at the time of their referendum, but at that time if I had had a vote it would very definitely have been in favour of staying in the UK. Now? I suspect I would go the other way. I really don't think that border controls would affect me in any way: there's nothing dreadful about travelling overland through Europe, after all. I certainly wouldn't be put off by the threat of being unable to live and work in a country with a massively struggling economy, a very right-wing government and some very nasty racists coming out of the woodwork.

"If Brexit couldn't work out that success would mean the Union breaking up, then they're even more stupid than we all thought."

Amazing how you can say that with such certainty JudyC, or imply the corollary that Sturgeon will fail to break the Union without Brexit!
Who am I to challenge such a prophetess?

" I really don't think that border controls would affect me in any way: there's nothing dreadful about travelling overland through Europe, after all. "
Then you might be in for a surprise when you find they do, although I don't think it will mean travelling overland through Europe will become "dreadful".

" I certainly wouldn't be put off by the threat of being unable to live and work in a country with a massively struggling economy, a very right-wing government and some very nasty racists coming out of the woodwork."

Are these more of your prophecies JudyC?

Perhaps you can tell us who is going to be next Prime Minister and when the worlds going to come to an end too?

Can you make any predictions though?

Most of the ones the remain camp made are coming true.

Only the obvious one i.e that there would be a period of great economic uncertainty until the Brexit process is complete.
Anyone who thought otherwise would have been utterly stupid.
My prediction is short term pain for long term gain.

Ah, but what do you base that on?

See, more platitudes...