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PETITION FOR A SECOND REFERENDUM - 1 million + signatures already

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GertrudeBelle · 25/06/2016 11:10

A parliamentary petition has been created calling for a second referendum. As I type, it already has 1,061,466 signatures and the number is growing rapidly so it will have to be taken seriously.

I would urge everyone who is concerned about the consequences of yesterday's result to sign it. It only takes a minute. Get your friends and family to sign too.

Link here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There's also a map showing the location of the signatories. There are some key Remain territories which don't seem to have picked this up - particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please spread the word. Map here:

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

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Peppatina · 25/06/2016 21:31

Im not sure there's much point in continuing this discussion Solomon but I'll try.

Yes my friends exist. No I am not accusing them of dishonesty. They are telling the world and their family via social media (it pops up in a little box on Facebook that X signed this petition etc.) that they have signed this petition.

My 15year old nephews friend are also doing this.

That means I know that at least some of those signatures are from people ineligible to vote.

I don't think it is illegal or frays for them to sign. I'm assuming there is no requirement to be on the electoral role before you sign.

BUT

If the petition was used to over turn the referendum then I would want the signatures looked at very closely as I wouldn't find it fair uf people who couldn't vote had affected the outcome.

And I realise emotions are high but there really is no need to scream 'RACIST' at everyone.

Pogmella · 25/06/2016 21:34

You can't 'overturn' an opinion poll, Peppa. You can consider it alongside other information, though.

Peppatina · 25/06/2016 21:34

I suppose technically I am a fm different race to some of my friends, they are a different colour to me.

Having been the reviever of racist remarks in the past however I'm fairly confident I haven't morphed into one without noticing.

BeezerBubble · 25/06/2016 21:36

Government petitions with >100000 signatures just have to be debated in Parliament. That's it. No further action legally required. In this case it'll go -
Here's one with lots of signatures. It wants changes to the EU referendum.
We had that last week.
Oh, ok, next.

NewLife4Me · 25/06/2016 21:39

Living

How do you know when a politician is lying?
His/Her lips are moving.
There is no democracy, when will people wake up and realise they are manipulated by government.
We were stage managed to vote out, there was no serious campaigning done on either side. No public information.
You've all been had, as is the nature of politics throughout history.

Pogmella · 25/06/2016 21:40

The results of referenda have to be considered by Parliament. That's it. No further action legally required.

mrsfuzzy · 25/06/2016 21:41

you don;t really think this is going to work do you ? totally deduded imo

solomonsky · 25/06/2016 21:42

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mamamea · 25/06/2016 21:42

The people signing the petition now are so stupid they should be scrubbed from the electoral register and forever banned from voting

Have they read the petition?

"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

"created_at":"2016-05-23T23:39:38.957Z"

In other words, this petition was created on the evening of the 23rd of MAY, a month BEFORE the referendum was conducted.

At that point - fair play, make a petition, sign it, publicise it. Get the rules changed. Two million signatures then would have made a real statement.

But now, signing this is stupid. If you signed this, you are an actual moron. You should be disenfranchised - permanently.

The petition was made to change the rules BEFORE the referendum was conducted (but, back then nobody was signing it). Now the people are signing are saying 'yes, we just lost that game 5-0, but now it's over, can we retrospectively move the goalposts so the result was 0-0 and we can have a rematch'.

NO. This social media 'sign this shit' stuff is fucking cancer. READ the fucking petition before you sign it you absolute idiots.

This petition was designed to be signed BEFORE people voted. And the guy who created it supports LEAVE. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit

If you are going to blindly sign up to shit on the internet at least have it make fucking sense.

"implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

Do any of you idiotic petition signers even know for sure what this is supposed to mean? Because I certainly can't decipher it.

Was he saying 'if the winning side wins with between 50 and 60% of the vote OR if the turnout is less than 75%, there should be another referendum', or was he saying 'if the winning side scores wins with between 50 and 60% of the vote AND the turnout is less than 75%'

And what would be the contingency if the same thing happened again? Keep voting in an infinite loop until the country goes bust from conducting referendums every Thursday? Because turnout is likely to fall in a second vote.

Is it really beyond the wit of you stupid social media sheep to come up with a petition that makes some fucking sense, and sign that, rather than blindly signing up to any shit some twat shares on Facebook?

Like: 'We call on the government to reject the result of the referendum and remain in the EU, as the public was misled, with no further referendum to be held at this time.'

or 'We call on the government to reject the result of the referendum and hold a second referendum. If Remain wins the new referendum, we will Remain. If Leave wins the referendum, they must additionally achieve 40% of the eligible electorate for us to Leave, otherwise we will Remain.'

Two-and-a-half-million people signing a petition that was confusing a week ago, and is now plainly obsolete. What a fucking embarrassment.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 25/06/2016 21:44

The eligibility to sign petitions is that you're a British citizen or resident in the UK. It states no lower age limit, nor does it state you must be registered to vote.

So a bunch of 10 year olds can sign it them. Yep good basis to call a second referendum

YourPerception · 25/06/2016 21:47

Apparently it was started as a joke. Most signatures are registered our use the UK.

Toria2014 · 25/06/2016 21:48

Yup. But these utter morons are all about the 'wahhhh wahhhh waaaahhhh' knee jerk reaction. Its actually pretty fucking hilarious.

mrsfuzzy · 25/06/2016 21:51

wow - that was some speech, anyone care to comment or have we still all got our heads up our arses ?

Pogmella · 25/06/2016 21:51

I don't think it was a joke, YourPerception. From what I know of the author I think it unlikely they'd be a Brexiteer.

Peppatina · 25/06/2016 21:51

Solomonsky bless you.

Do you actually know what racism is.

Proper real racism?

I fucking do, and to be honest all this frothing and screaming racism at people because they've used the word 'polish' or 'immigrant' is fucking insulting.

Get a grin you horrible m, small minded bigot.

YourPerception · 25/06/2016 21:53

I don't think the petition isca threat. It has been mostly signed by people who will have their signature deleted.

solomonsky · 25/06/2016 21:54

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solomonsky · 25/06/2016 21:57

From Guardian comments:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Peppatina · 25/06/2016 22:00

Solomonsky I hope the remainers are proud to count you amount their number. They must be, I can see anyone condemning your disgusting comments.

I've faced people screaming 'Nigger!' in my face when I was with my children, being spat on, looked down on. Discriminated against in the little ways, so sly you can't even be sure it's fucking happening!

But you go on spitting 'racist' at anyone using the fucking word 'polish'.

Maybe you should take a look at your own levels of thickness.

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 25/06/2016 22:00

Some people only like democracy when it goes their way it seems. And they call the other side fascists? Lol. How ironic.

BurnTheBlackSuit · 25/06/2016 22:02

There's a clicky link at the bottom of the page called "get petition data". I clicked on it to check out the date it was created (to make sure pp wasn't making stuff up (she wasn't)).

It would appear it is a list of where people (claimed) they were signing it from (postcode?). So, for example there are abou 8,500 from USA...

solomonsky · 25/06/2016 22:03

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Pogmella · 25/06/2016 22:05

Burn they could potentially be British citizens abroad.

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 25/06/2016 22:05

here is a link to the petition data. From the looks of it nearly every country in the world is represented.

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