AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

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Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

The more the day goes on the more I'm so depressed with the outcome.

There's some dopey cow on BBC news moaning that she can't get a council house because of the immigrants, she's seen it on the documentaries apparently.

The point I was making was that people I spoke to on the doorsteps or at tube stations were sick to the back teeth of uncontrolled immigration. Approximately half of the immigrants come from the EU and half from outside - I'm sorry if I can't quote the exact figures.

Some areas of the country - Lincolnshire, coastal towns, etc. - are seriously pissed off because of Eastern European immigration. In London it's mainly third world immigration which is pissing them off - and DO NOT scream at me. I am repeating what has been said to me on the doorsteps in council estates or in the streets.

What the Leave supporters in London I spoke to wanted was for all immigration to be limited to skilled workers who could contribute to our country and integrate. They are aware that many people from third world countries get EU citizenship in other EU countries and then come here. Many of those people who were cross were black.

And, by the way, they did know that polygamy and how people dress had nothing to do with the vote, but many people just commented on that because they were seriously pissed off over the whole immigration issue.

On Mumsnet many people are upset that their children have not been offered places at their chosen or nearest good school. No-one ever mentions immigration. On the doorsteps people are spitting blood and swearing about it. That is the truth.

Oh, Lord Longleat, that's the one!
There's another balanced individual with a firm grasp on the issues of Average Joe...

yanbu

I voted to remain and I said to the 'leave' voters at work today that all we can do now is hope that they were right and things will get better.
They, all of them actually, were much quieter than they have been lately. I would say they do seem like they might feel they've made a mistake.

I think the media has a lot to answer for. Such scaremongering that a lot of the population just unquestioningly buy into.

Yet London voted to remain.

I currently live somewhere where you can go for weeks without seeing a non-white face, yet there was a strong leave majority.

Is an erroneous perception that Muslims are allowed to be bigamists really a valid reason to leave the EU? Just sounds like knee jerk racism to me, as does being pissed off about how somebody dresses.

I voted leave. If I had woken to a remain victory that would have been it for me. Disappointed but decision accepted. I cant't believe the arrogant contempt for leave voters on here. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

We have contempt because you have voted for something which will cause a major recession in the UK. All the people who wanted change are certainly going to get it but definitely not in a good way. The UK may never be as prosperous again as it is now and people like you have made it happen. Do you not get why those of us who can see the writing on the wall feel for the turkeys who voted for christmas.

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The point I was making was that people I spoke to on the doorsteps or at tube stations were sick to the back teeth of uncontrolled immigration

Thing is, that is unlikely to change once we're out of the European Union. If we want a trade agreement with the EU, we'll have to guarantee freedom of movement. And much of the non-EU immigration is family reunion, Commonwealth citizens coming home, or refugees.

The whole thing is pointless.

we don't have to take a quota of refugees though Foggy that is a definite point.
The other point you miss, is that we won't have to keep bailing out poor countries who should never have been allowed to join the EU - what benefit do they bring?

The second most common Google uk search today was 'what is the EU'. Perhaps a few more people could have searched that one yesterday.

We do have an obligation to take refugees under the Geneva Convention of 1952 so I wouldn't count on getting of that one, even if it were morally right to do so.

"Perhaps a few more people could have searched that one"

Probably our friends across the Atlantic.

Isnt it a bit embarrassing to leave poorer countries like Greece to deal with the refugee crisis? Even leaving the EU, as the '5th largest world economy' (not sure where we are now), isn't that just really shameful?

Of course we do, Hamish as a civilised and humane society, of course we must take refugees and asylum seekers. I work with one such - he is hard working, skilled & productive.

He is near to breakdown atm: on the one side, he says, people don't want him here (outright random racism on the street etc); on the other, if he goes back to his own country, they want to kill him.

We give him shelter here because it's the human thing to do.

we don't have to take a quota of refugees

How selfish and heartless.

The pointlessness is Brexit.

(not sure where we are now)

6th, but watch this space!

It was Snowy saying we don't have to take refugees. I was explaining that we should.

The Google search metric was from was Google uk. Don't know if there's ready access to that one in the us.

I believe that the reason why the Leave campaign won was fundamentally down to the manner that the referendum was presented. " Let us continue to live in this beloved Semi with the leaking roof and hope that it repairs itself " or "Lets move to this beautiful 5 bed detached with 5 acres of promised land (which we don't yet have the means to purchase but might do) and live happily ever after"

Living in a leaking semi is a lot harder sell than the promise of the move to the ideal (but maybe pipe dream) detached". If Cameron had been clever he should have included a third question; "Vote stay and have an extension added as well as the roof fixed (we know the neighbours so well) and if they (neighbours) object, lets take the bold leap and purchase that 5 bed detached; fingers crossed its not repossessed".

taking refugees is now on our own terms , not Brussel's terms

Have the remainers ever wondered why the rest of EU were so desperate for UK to remain in?
why are the Austrians, the French, the Austrians etc baying for their own referendum?

Are they 'baying' for their own referendums??

I don't believe that any quota will make any difference to the desperate arriving at Europe's and Britain's shores, so really really don't get your point, snowy.

actually some other countries' far right politicians are pushing for referendums yes.

Thing is, they tend to be the politicians who push the misinformation about immigrants and sometimes openly racist agenda (Gert Wilders!).

There -is- also a lot of dissatisfaction with Brussels and particularly corruption, which has been brushed under the carpet.

And the economic consequences for any leavers are lied about .... as Farage did.

Cheap and lying politics :/

Yes, I do know that there are various countries making noises about referendums for themselves, I was simply picking up on the language: 'baying'.
It's is just the kind of frothing at the mouth that does not help a measures debate.

What are 'our terms' as opposed to 'Brussel's terms'? Genuine question.
How are we (as in all of Western Europe) meant to best manage the flood of people coming form Eastern Europe, the MIddle and Far East and Northern/Africa?? Migrants ARE coming and IMO we'd've been better organising ourselves shoulder to shoulder with the other affluent countries we share a lot of common culture and history with rather than having some futile attempt at pulling up drawbridges which to me sounds very much like a reaction made our of fear and panic rather than reflection and strength.

Snowy

What do you think are "Brussels" terms for taking refugees, and do you think the UK is following them?

It is not the politicians but the populus 'baying' for a referendum