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AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

355 replies

pestov · 24/06/2016 10:21

Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

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EatsShitAndLeaves · 24/06/2016 19:18

Ok I stand corrected - most people don't hold the Brexiters in contempt Blush

larrygrylls · 24/06/2016 19:20

And remain voters whose sole motivation was their house value or being worried about their stock market investments without any deeper questioning of being a member of a union? Equal contempt or no contempt as that describes you??

Thewolfsjustapuppy · 24/06/2016 19:21

Oh yes and
"The remain campaign was so gloomy and negative so I chose the happy side"

Lweji · 24/06/2016 19:25

And remain voters whose sole motivation was their house value or being worried about their stock market investments without any deeper questioning of being a member of a union?

Those two issues actually have repercussions in terms of or reflect the wider economy. They are not minor.

larrygrylls · 24/06/2016 19:28

Lweji,

House prices falling have v positive ramifications if you want to buy a house! Stock market should represent expected future cash flows (discounted at the appropriate interest rate), but given ftse is the same level as 1999, what does that say about the fruits of our ec membership?

Cleo1303 · 24/06/2016 19:33

I voted out - and I've also spent the last few weeks canvassing and leafleting for them. Our particular group included a number of professional people - solicitors, economists, etc., - so people who voted Leave aren't uneducated and stupid as many of you like to think.

Remain were too arrogant with a "we know what's best for you" attitude which really irritated people, and constantly being harangued by Obama, Juncker, Geldof, Izzard, Cumberbatch and the rest of them didn't go down too well either. Bringing in Mr Beckham at the last moment was seen as a cynical ploy. (Everyone loves David Beckham so I'm sure that seemed like a good idea to someone in the Remain camp.)

However, it was always clear that if Leave won it would be down to the white working class vote. Why? Because they feel their MPs are far more interested in being on the Westminster gravy train and the career opportunities, directorships, etc., than being concerned about their very real problems.

Remain probably also thought it would get the immigrant vote. I spoke to many immigrants, from many nationalities, who have lived here for 30 or more years, integrated, paid their way, and love our country. They are infuriated by the way the more recent immigrants get so many benefits as soon as they arrive and are treated as special cases. Muslims being allowed to have more than one wife was brought up many times. Why is it polygamy for them, and bigamy for anyone British? (I know it's "their culture" but it breaks our law.)

As so many older immigrants said to me, they grew up with white people, black people, Jewish people, Muslim people, people from all over Europe, and everyone wore the same clothes and everyone got along just fine.

Our society is now more fragmented and divided than it was 25 years ago. We don't live in a multi-cultural utopia, but it's clear that many people in London think we do. The rest of the country doesn't share that view, and that is why Leave won the Referendum.

Lweji · 24/06/2016 19:35

Yes, but it can also leave many people in negative equity.

Lweji · 24/06/2016 19:36

Muslims being allowed to have more than one wife was brought up many times. Why is it polygamy for them, and bigamy for anyone British? (I know it's "their culture" but it breaks our law.)

Erm...
What does that have to do with the EU?

PigletJohn · 24/06/2016 19:38

cleo "allowed to have more than one wife "

What country are you living in?

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 24/06/2016 19:45

thebestfurchinchilla Fri 24-Jun-16 16:08:12
The racist claims do make me laugh.

You do realise Farage thinks Polish people shouldn't speak Polish together on trains because it makes him uncomfortable but it's alright for his wife to talk in German because 'that's different...you know that's different'?

Chortle away.

DioneTheDiabolist · 24/06/2016 19:47

Cleo, did you tell people that polygamy and dress sense have nothing to do with the vote?

merrymouse · 24/06/2016 19:51

Muslims being allowed to have more than one wife was brought up many times. Why is it polygamy for them, and bigamy for anyone British? (I know it's "their culture" but it breaks our law.)

So people voted for leave because they were under the impression that Muslims are getting extra benefits because they can have an extra spouse?

From which EU country are all these polygamous Muslims arriving?

happyandsingle · 24/06/2016 19:53

People are very afraid of change-I get that. But let's embrace change. Things were not working how they were,many unhappy British nationals. People wanted to see change,remain did not respect or value people's genuine concerns thought they had no doubt won already.
Maybe they should of taken people's concerns more seriously instead of avoiding the issues that mattered to people.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 24/06/2016 19:56

I'm disappointed the leave vote has gone through for two reasons.

One, hard working people who have struggled for years are probably going to find their lives are no better, having effectively paved the way for a far right government that will probably make the Thatcher years seem like a nostalgic dream. It's deeply ironic that many leavers thought they were helping the NHS by voting Out. Or, as one elderly lady admitted, because she could never get a GP appointment. Many leave posters this week tried to say this vote was about nothing but leaving the EU. Remainers knew it was about who we'd have in power next and the current options make Cameron seem Not Bad.

Two, I'm sorry that we won't be shouldering our share of the burden globally. Sorry that we won't have the same seat at the table about climate change. Sorry that we will inevitably become more detached from security issues at a time when we needed to band together with our allies. But most of all, I'm sorry that at a time when other countries are opening their arms to people without homes, at a time when the habitable countries of the world are diminishing for all sorts of reasons and where many children are languishing for want of basic rights that we could have extended to them, we are drawing up the drawbridge and setting our sights on making sure we have the best of everything. If we were to end up prosperous and smug while the rest of Europe struggles to play the Good Samaritan, I don't want to live here. And I think Jo Cox would have felt the same way - those ideals that we all loved so much last week come at a price that clearly we are not prepared to pay.

Two,

PerspicaciaTick · 24/06/2016 19:56

Bigamy means having 2 spouses ("Bi" meaning 2, as in Bicycle and Binoculars)
Polygamy means have many spouses ("Poly" meaning many, as in Polygon and Polytechnic).

So anyone in the UK can be guilty of being a bigamist if they have more than one spouse at the same time. Religion simply doesn't come into what it is called or who is guilty.

merrymouse · 24/06/2016 20:03

People wanted to see change

To what? To having passport control at the Northern Ireland border again?

PacificDogwod · 24/06/2016 20:10

Bi/Polygamy is illegal in the UK (an all over Europe AFAIK), nothing to do with religion. Why would somebody who immigrated to the UK a long time ago be any less of a possible racist than anybody else?? It just demonstrates that small-minded self-interest crosses all racial, cultural and socio-economic borders Hmm

I represent the 'acceptable' face of immigration: white, educated, never cost the UK a penny, earning higher tax income for 20+ years, married to a Brit. I am very seriously considering my options tbh.
The vote has made me perceive my elected home country as more small-minded, insular and self-interested than I wanted to believe it was Sad.
Grin

maggiethemagpie · 24/06/2016 20:13

On the polygamy thing, nothing to stop someone legally marrying one wife but having other 'wives' who they are not legally married to living with them. I think the polygamists in Utah do it this way. I'm sure there are some white british people with this arrangement. I think it also worked for Hugh Hefner.

PacificDogwod · 24/06/2016 20:15

Hugh Hefner had 'wifelets', didn't he? Hmm

hesterton · 24/06/2016 20:17

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DioneTheDiabolist · 24/06/2016 20:20

Happy, 200 of my Ex colleagues are going to be made redundant. Their sister companies in the area will be relocating resulting in even more redundancies. This is going to destroy the local economy. I live in NI, which, without stringent border controls is going to make us the smuggling back door to the UK and means more money and power for our paramilitaries. My cheese habit will become more expensive. The challenges to abortion law here will fail because we are leaving the EU.

Please tell me why I should embrace this change because I can't think of one good thing that this result will bring me.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2016 20:33

I think its Lord Longleat who calls his partners wifelets.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2016 20:35

I voted Remain So did my 66 year old DH

LtPigeon · 24/06/2016 20:38

Just as an aside on Muslim wives point above - in the UK, a Muslim man can have a one legal wife, just like any other man, then any subsequent wives can only be married in religious ceremonies, not legal ones.
It's a women's rights issue, not particularly an immigration or economic issue.

merrymouse · 24/06/2016 20:40

I'm happy to be corrected but I'm pretty sure that the majority of Muslim immigrants have come to this country from outside the EU.

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