to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

[SybilEngineer]

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

other countries in Europe are now considering a ref. are they going to tantrum and throw toys out of the prams if they leave? FFS.

anyone would think the worlds ended.

BeckerLleytonNever
Well said

*Countries like Greece and Spain are struggling with huge unemployment and Italy and France could be the next economies to crash. The EU has just been papering over the cracks since 2008 and eventually something will give and it will implode.

So things are scary and uncertain right now but we have a chance to at least try to make the best of it on our own terms and not under a cloud of turmoil brought about by having to bail out the failing banks and economies within the EU.

Yes there are tough times ahead, yes I'm shit scared but this pill was one we were going to have to swallow at some point anyhow and it's better to do this is a measured and managed way rather than under the cloud and shock of the breakup of the EU and it's basket case economy*

^^this.

and anyone from Gibraltar on here: since 17 whatever Spain has NEVER stopped trying to gain Gib to them. before the EU, during the EU and now.

they've NVER stopped. short memories you lot have.

anyone would think the worlds ended.

The leave side would hardly be quietly shutting up shop if the vote had gone the other way.

The prime minister has resigned, Scotland might leave the union, the northern island border is one huge question mark, and we have no idea who will be leading the country for the next 4 years or what their plans are.

Meanwhile the working population are going to have to sort out the mess, led by the much maligned 'experts'. Most of these people voted to remain. Of course people are objecting loudly, and with a similarly split vote they would be objecting loudly in any other country too.

What I find interesting about the million-or-so threads on Mumsnet, is that the Remainers don't believe in democracy.

Which is consistent, now that I think of it, with their contentment that rules be made by unelected leaders in Brussels.

Goady ^^

Nice one John I thought you haven't RTFTs?

Why did I so helpfully answered your question above if you knew it all along?

This is getting ridiculous now. Shall we have the best of 5, or 7 or until we agree to diagree?

Well, democracy doesn't work all that brilliantly, does it? It's more 'best of a bad bunch' than an ideal system. And when it allows shit like this to happen, well, people are going to try to protest. Protest is part of democracy too, isn't it?

The main failing of democracy here seems to be that people have been led to exercise their democratic right by liars who promised (or implied which is the same for undiscerning voters) things that now (v soon after the event) turn out to be utter bullshit.

I do agree to some extent that many leavers wouldn't be making an equivalent fuss if the vote had gone the other way. But that's because a) many of them didn't really want to leave in the same, informed way that remainers wanted to remain but were doing some weird 'protest vote' and b) many are still too embarrassed by their choice - which also explains why the leave result was such a shock (ie many did not admit they were going to vote to fuck everything up).

Works for me and most of the 17 million who voted the same way I did.

Works for you when the majority vote the way YOU did.

Just LISTEN to yourself FFS.

And perhaps if the vote had gone the other way we wouldn't be viscious and hateful because we are obviously just much better people......?
No?
Too sweeping a statement for you?

Sorry that I have posted this on two other threads but I do think that given the turmoil it is worth noting the possibility of further consultation -
Taken from the BBC website
'However, there is talk around Westminster- in the wake of a plunging currency and falling share prices - of whether any deal on Brexit negotiated with the EU should then be put to a referendum further down the line.'
Please register your support for further consultation..

Do you mean 'vicious'?

Dunno, you sound capable of being vicious tbh BMW.

However, you might be the exception. But just look at the army of racists and bigots that are on your side. Is it a victory for democracy that their half - baked views carry such monumental weight?

You can't argue that our system is flawless just because one vote went your way.

Please post a link Mrs.

Towards the end of the article -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324

The U.K. isn't going to invoke Article 50 any time soon. It can't. There's no plan for an exit or what that would look like so it would be insanity to start a 2 year countdown unnecessarily before anyone has a clue what to do. Cameron doesn't want to invoke Article 50 and the Leave campaign sure as hell don't. Their plan was to sort it all out and then have a second referendum on the terms of the exit before triggering the process, so with the EU saying negotiations can't start before then, we are at a stalemate.

And the EU very tellingly said 'If the British government want to leave the EU then they need to start the process ASAP'.

The government don't actually want to leave. It's an almighty balls-up.

What I find interesting ... is that the Remainers don't believe in democracy
Which is consistent, now that I think of it, with their contentment that rules be made by unelected leaders in Brussels

Beautifully put

S*d it all, you me and all the average Joes will never know anything but what the political elite distracts us with. You really think this is about anything but a game of power for the top boys? Uk won't leave because after Cameron refused to pull the trigger 50, no other politician will bitethe bullet and risk being either damned for pulling the trigger or ignoring it and being damned by brexiters. Referendum was nothing but a show, accept it.

Do you know what I don't believe in? A system where someone stands up and lies and lies and people vote for the lies and then once the vote is counted those lies are retracted and something entirely different is presented instead.

I don't call that democracy, I call that fraud.

That would be politics, Giraffe.

What happened was that democracy was high jacked by politics.

Talking of lies - what happened to the emergency budget George Osborne threatened. Just a lie to scare us all?

they need to start the process ASAP'.
Err they don't actually. More bullying for the EU who are terrified of the 'contagion' that Hollande spoke of this week.
The UK gvt can invoke the Article 50 at a time of their choosing now they have the mandate.

Sorry if this has already been posted (not read the whole thread)

www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12031254/no-brexit-article-50

I'm really not convinced Brexit will happen but neither do I think there will be another referendum.