to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

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A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

Anyone owning the migration claim?

I don't know if it has already been mentioned on here, but DH said a guy on news night last night said that if there was another general election before the year is out, Labour could put in their manifesto that they will disregard the EU rereferendum if they win?!!!

Corbyn has already ruled out another referendum. He has a very good chance at still being head of Labour at that point. And I'm not sure that another Labour contender would be foolish enough to say they'd have another referendum.

Conservatives will not likely have it in theirs.

UKIP definitely won't have another referendum.

I'd say it's highly unlikely.

Labour wouldn't need another referendum if it was in their manifesto to disregard the result and they were elected on that platform.

Corbyn has already ruled out another referendum. There's a very good chance that he may be the Labour leader at that point. If he is not, the leader may not feel it best to alienate the large group of Labour voters that voted Leave.

Yes there wouldbt need to be a second referendum, they could just disregard it and then have business as usual. It would certainly be an interesting election!

under 18s didnt get a vote....i just asked my 9 month old grandaughter what she wanted....she didnt care.....and that is why 18 is the voting limit, cos there has to be a limit....16 million wanted to stay, but 17 million wanted out....and your point is.....would you feel different if it was the other way around and we stayed in and the leavers wanted a 2nd referrendum.....stupid reasoning

The thing is though, labour doesn't really have much to lose now. They have already been losing many of their heartlands, especially in Scotland. And it depend what else was in their manifesto. It is already becoming apparent that there was a significant number of Leave voters who are quite simply pissed off with the way things are and this was their way of justtrying to bring about some sort of change. If Labour could play it right.........

Although I voted to remain, I think we all need to step back and acknowledge that the EU is deeply flawed and is highly likely to be non existent in its current form in the next 10 years, whether we remain or not.

Countries like Greece and Spain are struggling with huge unemployment and Italy and France could be the next economies to crash. The EU has just been papering over the cracks since 2008 and eventually something will give and it will implode.

So things are scary and uncertain right now but we have a chance to at least try to make the best of it on our own terms and not under a cloud of turmoil brought about by having to bail out the failing banks and economies within the EU.

Yes there are tough times ahead, yes I'm shit scared but this pill was one we were going to have to swallow at some point anyhow and it's better to do this is a measured and managed way rather than under the cloud and shock of the breakup of the EU and it's basket case economies.

My 17 year old DD has rather more to say on the subject though LemonLady ... more than enough to enable her to make an informed decision on all our futures, as one vote amongst 30 or so million.

Corbyn will be gone soon.

Even I would vote for Labour then.

And I'n not a Labour voter.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/france-and-italy-next-economic-crash-europe-a7054801.html

There is a petition on the parliament website
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 which so far has more than 2 million signatures claiming that under EU referendum rules, there should be a second referendum.
Apparently, this can be triggered if less than 60% voted one way or the other and if less than 75% of those eligible to vote actually voted.
Don't shoot the messenger - but I've given the link for anyone interested in signing.
BTW, I agree with many people that teenagers of 16 and 17yo should have been allowed to vote. My daughter is almost 17, feels strongly on the issue - and she will have to live with the decision for a very long time.

Ooohh oooh let's have another referendum, and assuming more than half a million people decide that they have changed their minds so there is a slender remain majority leave the EU anyway because "it's not legally binding".

I think there would be a complete and total political meltdown if the referendum result wasn't accepted. And it doesn't actually have to be under UK law. But it was a really stupid course of action, at a very minimum they should have set the bar higher - we will only act on the results if there is a very clear majority in favour of leaving, say 60% or more. As it stands, it's basically half in half. Not really enough of a mandate to totally trash the entire country and the lives of half the population who wanted nothing to do with this nonsense.

I agree with many people that teenagers of 16 and 17yo should have been allowed to vote

As I mentioned on the other thread, only 25% of the 18-25 group bothered to vote yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/assessing-impact-turnout-eu-referendum/

Granted some of 16-17 may be interested enough to turn up, but that doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does it?

Can't help but think that the EU is like the Hotel California.

We've checked out but can't see us leaving.

That's because we can't afford the bill, Inkanta.

*Inkanta - Your post is post of 2016!

I hope you are right.

Wish I could buy you a drink but here's some for you from me with best wishes!

Cheers Magimedi

Please note, I haven't read the full thread (life's too short).

After Britain has left the EU, there's no reason you can't apply to re-join, at some time in the future. You would be applying from scratch, the same as any other country.

All it would take is a general election, and some party having "rejoin" as their main goal.

We'll have to adopt the euro and will lose all exceptions, and we'll have the economic turmoil.

It's not just the Remainers though, there's been people calling up asking to change their vote.

I think it would be really dangerous to disregard the element of racism that has pervaded this referendum. Brexiters are quick to show they aren't all racist (obviously they aren't) but it is head in the sand to make out this hasn't created an atmosphere where people feel able to make vile comments. This needs addressing. And that includes the voters who aren't bnp members but are happy to assume problems are caused by immigration. Man on news yesterday reckoning the closure of a family run bakery was due to a nearby Polish delicatessen, no acknowledgment of Greggs, cheaper prices in supermarkets, online shopping etc. People blame who they want to take it out on.