AIBU to be cheerful and optimistic about Brexit because....

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We had a record-breaking 72% of the population take part :)

Our sovereignty will be restored

The first General Election in decades that will truly be about how the country is governed

MPs will be directly held accountable

We can plan a proper strategy for immigration and allocate resources to avoid overloading services

We can have a fair immigration strategy

We can be more versatile and responsive to world economic changes

We can decide how to spend our national resources

House prices are projected to fall meaning more people will be able to first time buy

There will be downward pressure on prices of goods as import terms (we buy more in than we sell out) can be negotiated directly with UK

There will be inward investment as many manufacturers will prefer a UK base rather than their current EU base

What other positives are there?

The EU makes 44% of our exports, the 50 other countries the EU has trade deals with make up another 15%, the US makes another 15%.

The entire rest of the world currently accounts for about 26% of the rest of our exports.

You are deluded, OP - what we will have is a PM no-one voted for, a cabinet of unelected co-opted far right nutters like Farage, a painful long slow irreversible crash in our economy, an exit from the union by Scotland and a revival of tensions in Northern Ireland, and a sharp contraction in our global influence.

There will not be any long-term gain. In 20 years' time we will be just England, a small, insignificant country, with serious demographic problems, an ageing population, few high skill jobs and little inward investment, and no seat at the table globally.

Your pensions and your house prices will be in long term decline, and the younger generations you need to prop them up will be leaving for other countries with better employment opportunities (by that point, China, North America, etc.)

The idea of sovereignty was always a chimera designed to appeal to voters who don't understand it. You will not get more sovereignty, whatever you think that means. You will get poorer, as will we all.

I can see this argument isn't going to get far.

Love how everyone is an expert in international trade all of a sudden.

We will not be part of the EU. We don't have to follow their stupid rules any more.
They sell more to us than we sell to them, we are in a good negotiating position. Is there any other trade block that insists in this silly rule?

You are massively, massively deluded.

And in order to trade with us they have to follow our rules.

Seriously? We need to trade with them infinitely more than they need to trade with us. The moment we start demanding they follow our rules, they walk away because they can find plenty of trading partners who aren't so bloody stupid - including places outside the EU like Switzerland and Norway.

Please tell me you didn't base your vote on deluded nonsense like this.

We don't get any say on American standards but it doesn't stop us trading there.

We don't really trade there. The size of their internal economy means they can produce almost everything we could export at cheaper prices than we can. What does the US need to import from us? UK nationals aren't even able to apply for green cards.

the entire future of our economy has been decided on fallacies like this by people who need basic concepts explaining to them.

I couldn't be happier with the result. I wanted leave from the very start of all this.

This is what an Australian style points system of immigration looks like www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/20/the-worst-ive-seen-trauma-expert-lifts-lid-on-atrocity-of-australias-detention-regime

Yes YABU to be optimistic.

3+ yrs of talking about nothing else but the post-Brexit negotiations.

Boris the Clown for PM.
Years of uncertainty.
Woohoo. Why did I ever worry?

I'm laughing at the taking heads... obviously a lot of voters were very torn.
48% of people voted STAY.
Yet all these proclamations about how politicians didn't "understand" voters.
Actually they understood 40+% of them very well.
I don't remember this much gloating after general elections, either.

Saw this graphic and thought that it was admirably clear - especially remembering that the EU will not want to negotiate a trade deal with the UK that is in any way positive for the UK, because otherwise it will encourage others to leave:

Only 15% of our exports go to the US, much of this is financial services because we can trade services with the EU too.

Meaning, our trade with the US may fall.

£ plunging in value
investment funds (pensions) plummeting in value
Donald Trump approves. Gee, what a great start.

I'm glad that my children will most likely lose the automatic right to live and work in the European Union

and to study, as I did

:(

Why, just why?

To get away from the hypothetical, I have a small, property-related business. Property will be massively hit, so as we speak I am taking steps to wind it up, lay off staff, & stiff creditors. I will have a small smile on my face when I fail to pay HMRC. There will be thousands like me, meaning fewer jobs, less tax revenue, recession/depression.
And this fantasy that £ that would have gone to the EU will somehow be magically supplied to the NHS? Don't work like that. Lower tax revenues mean less for all public expenditure.
Thanks a lot, Brexiteers.
We will eventually stabilise, but when? And in the meantime?
We are where we are.

it will be interesting, but as in any break up there will be compromise and some loss, sorry but i didn't go with majority of the nonsense spouted by either side, i voted out and am optimistic for the future of our country. no way was everyone going to be happy with the out come, but the majority won so it's done, half of the country would have complained had we stayed in.

moanranger glad i don't work for you, you sound a great help to the work force, who you are in effect kicking just hours after the news, nice move.

Come on if we'd stayed in half the country would be saying it was a fix #bringapen

Did everyone forget to look at a map when they talk about trade?

Its a teeny tiny minor point, but the cost of moving things to and from anywhere is on a per mile basis.

That's why the EU as our main trading partner made sense in the first place.

half of the country would have complained had we stayed in

But if we stayed in, nobody who was able to live with their families yesterday, is waking up today wondering where they can all go to be together
Nobody who was embarking on EU funded study yesterday, would be waking up today with their life plan down the drain
Nobody who was employed under EU schemes and funding yesterday would be waking up knowing their job is facing the axe today

Remain aren't bitter because the didn't "win", they're devastated because for a lot of them their lives are now in tatters

moanranger glad i don't work for you, you sound a great help to the work force, who you are in effect kicking just hours after the news, nice move.

here were the choices:

• Keep trading on hope and rainbows, until they run it into the ground and one day the workers turn up and the office is locked and they don't get paid for the last month's work
• Give people notice and pay them for the work they've done so they can survive while they find something else

So those of you who are confused about why this should effect house prices should go have a look at a thread that's going on at the moment where a poster is due to exchange on her new house today but is wondering whether to go ahead. Basically, she is unsure if house prices will fall and whether the price she negotiated prior to Brexit will leave her in negative equity. Virtually everyone is recommending she drop out or re-negotiate. This is just a little, tiny insight into conversations that will be happening across the country this morning. Hell, I even had it with my DH. Do we go ahead with our house rennovation, or wait to see what happens to interest rates and house prices. We'll probably wait and see. So that's one set of builders that won't be getting a major project any time soon. I imagine all round the country others are having exactly this kind of conversation this morning.

House prices are as much to do with confidence in the market as with as supply / demand and interest rates. Once confidence goes, we're fucked. And this is true of the economy as a whole.

why just why

Because as I have posted time and again all the politicians did not listen to people's legitimate concerns on immigration.

Immigration was the biggest deciding factor in this vote and no politician was prepared to accept this or listen to this.

Lordy drivers are loosing their jobs every day because polish and Hungarian drivers will work for less.

Plumbers, builders, etc. They did not listen and that's what's led to this bloody god awful mess.

Jeremy Corbyn always supported coming out of Europe just as Tony Benn did. So of course he was a Luke warm campaigner

Falling pound will see foreign investors jumping at the chance to snap up UK property. Great.

george
Excellent posts.
But there's no point trying to educate cretins. I'm just in full on rant mode; there is no other response