AIBU to be cheerful and optimistic about Brexit because....

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We had a record-breaking 72% of the population take part :)

Our sovereignty will be restored

The first General Election in decades that will truly be about how the country is governed

MPs will be directly held accountable

We can plan a proper strategy for immigration and allocate resources to avoid overloading services

We can have a fair immigration strategy

We can be more versatile and responsive to world economic changes

We can decide how to spend our national resources

House prices are projected to fall meaning more people will be able to first time buy

There will be downward pressure on prices of goods as import terms (we buy more in than we sell out) can be negotiated directly with UK

There will be inward investment as many manufacturers will prefer a UK base rather than their current EU base

What other positives are there?

How is sovereinty going to be restored if the Union collapses?

Nowhere else in the world is the EU model copied.

So why so many countries going to get in? - echt

IMO they are being dangled a carrot, to feed the greedy, unwieldly and insatiable appetite of the bureaucratic superstate that became known as the EU. We don't need to be part of that. They can blame themselves, for trying to kill the goose that laid a golden egg. We can help others far more effectively from outside the EU than within. Without "something" being creamed off the top. We are historically a welcoming and compasionate nation and I don't see that changing. Please remember I just said "Nation" so no need to come back with outrageous examples of individual acts of ignorance.

Yes, I feel extremely optimistic having lived for 40 years within the EU.

So why so many countries going to get in?

In respect of the countries' own motivations I'd have thought that was obvious, at least in the case of the recent applicants ... they want the handouts

Rightly or wrongly, some of aren't keen on throwing yet more billions at basket case economies - and before anyone tells me that joiners have to meet strict criteria before they're admitted, that's what was claimed with Greece and look how that turned out

I've heard from another friend who works for an airline. They've been told that the jobs of those most recently employed are at risk. I guess the aviation industry are looking to make savings just in case the pound doesn't recover any time soon and fuel becomes expensive. Surely this will have a knock on effect on airfares- just in time for Summer!

Sorry, wrong thread!

I have spoken to at least a dozen Leave voters who have said things like " oh I didn't think this would happen " "I really wish I d voted Remain" I really don't think they had a clue about just how awful things are going to get - economically, socially and politically.
I don t weep for myself, I m almost at the end of my career and we own our house.
I weep for our children and for all those who will lose their jobs, houses etc.
efo my children and grandchildren

I feel cheerful and optimistic that I have sought after skills and the financial resources to survive a long period of recession. I feel cheerful and optimistic about the fact that we've almost paid off our mortgage. I feel cheerful and optimistic about the fact that DH and I could live and work abroad if we chose to.

I also feel much less worried than I would usually about how a recession might hit those with fewer skills and resources than I have, because I'll know that in many cases, the people worst hit will have chosen it for themselves.

Good point Broken biscuit but incredibly sad for those who DIDN'T choose it.

Good point Broken biscuit but incredibly sad for those who DIDN'T choose it.

Yes indeed, they will be the true casualties of all of this. Shafted by their own neighbours.

Yes indeed, they will be the true casualties of all of this. Shafted by their own neighbours.
are you sure ?
are you sure they’re not being shafted by the people who are gambling for short term profit on the money and share markets ?
Are the people who immediately close down jobs and contract or move rather than dent the profits of their shareholders bu investing just a little in their workforce not a teensy weensy bit to blame?
who choose to pay huge bonuses to people that pushed us into recession last time - who then buy property to "invest" and therefore push up house-prices - and then just find ways to avoid paying tax in this country ..a little bit to blame for why the neighbours voted that way...
Are the people who employed their neighbours on zero hours contracts so that they were unable to look forward to any kind of prosperous future or comfortable retirement not even the teensies weensiest bit to blame for their angst and problems?

and actually I'm a bit on the fence about it !

Sadly, big business will always prioritise the profits for shareholders. I don't like that, but it's nothing new, and unless our government chooses to legislate against their behaviour, I doubt that it will change.

But a Brexit recession will not have been created by big business. People were warned before the referendum about the potential consequences of an out vote, and they chose to "take back control" at whatever cost. I think that many of them will regret that choice, but I'm afraid my sympathy is limited.

sunnyspot

"...least a dozen Leave voters who have said things like " oh I didn't think this would happen..."

Nothing has happened We have voted to begin a process of leaving the EU. For all practical purposes we are still in the EU.

Has anyone noticed the value of the pound lately? Why on earth does anyone think this is going to have a happy ending.

My guess is it'll get worse, esp once NI and Scotland go.

Tab, some of the leave voters on another thread have assured us that it will only be 10-20 years of pain, and after that it'll all be ok. Apparently.

I'm sure that makes you feel better.

Because I watched "This is England" and the music and fashion was great in the 80s. And that's where we are headed with the nasty party fully at the reins.
Cornwall, Wales, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Thanks for voting. X

'who choose to pay huge bonuses to people that pushed us into recession last time - who then buy property to "invest" and therefore push up house-prices - and then just find ways to avoid paying tax in this country ..a little bit to blame for why the neighbours voted that way...
Are the people who employed their neighbours on zero hours contracts so that they were unable to look forward to any kind of prosperous future or comfortable retirement not even the teensies weensiest bit to blame for their angst and problems?'

Neighbour - spot on!

I can hear the refrain now " Thi-Ings ... can only get better.." That worked out well last time

I'm optimistic to see so many people around me are angry at the result. As an EU migrant it makes me feel a bit better to know my friends have got some common sense and intelligence. And I feel a little bit more wanted and valued.

As an EU migrant it makes me feel a bit better to know my friends have got some common sense and intelligence

If that means what it seems to and you've moved to the UK from elsewhere, don't you think it's a bit questionable to imply that the majority of your new country's voters lack common sense and intelligence?

Personally I wouldn't consider that the very best way to (in the old phrase) "win friends and influence people" ... but hey, that's just me

Puzzled - Ive been here for all of my adult life, I have two british children and yet couldnt vote on this so ill take solace where I can thank you very much. I dont need to win friends and influence people. I have friends. Who voted with their head. Im glad for that. They are as saddened as I am to see what their fellow brits have done to the country we all love. Your post is rude and ignorant.

Nothing has happened

Oh, ok. No racist attacks, no job losses, no collapse of sterling, no crash of financial markets. All fictional Got it.

How long is this idea that Brexit was a chance to punish or protest against big business/banks/capitalism going to persist?

You didn't vote against bankers' bonuses or greedy shareholders or financial markets. You voted to leave the EU.

This has sent our own currency crashing and will almost inevitably drive many businesses overseas. It's not just a question of profit: depending on the trade deals we negotiate (which are likely to be incredibly unfavourable, or involve compromises that will contradict the stated goals of Brexit), many firms might not even be able to stay here, or will have to relocate to or rehire significant chunks of their workforce on the continent. That's not a question of greed the cost of such a shift is going to be stratospheric and highly disruptive but one of legalities.

And you can say 'well, most of them are part of the finance industry, so fuck'em', but you haven't voted for increased financial legislation or better practices: you've just sent the banks and insurance companies elsewhere, so Frankfurt, Paris or Dublin can profit from their employment opportunities and tax revenues. These businesses aren't just billionaire CEOs: they employ massive networks of people, all of whom pay tax and contribute to their own local economies.

So if 'the neighbours' voted because they were sick of corporate irresponsibility, big businesses, and capitalism in general, then that's very frustrating: they've changed nothing about that culture, and all they've done is sabotage our own economy.

You are very welcome here. You are an asset to our country. I am so sorry this is happening.My work brings me into contact with many immigrants to the UK and without exception I have found you to have a brilliant work ethic, polite ,and not at all demanding on the system. I really wish I could say the same for all the British people I work with.
Reap - NOTHING HAS HAPPENED - has to be the quote of the week.

My last post was for you Oblada.

Puzzled - Your view that somehow migrants should be grateful for being allowed into a country is so deeply offensive. Whether I have been here 2 years or 15 years I have the right to my views. Whether I come from an economically equivalent country or a poorer one, I have the right to express my opinion. As it turns out I have been here a great many years (I could probably apply for citizenship if I wanted to) and I come from a very much equivalent country economically but it should not make any difference to your perception of me. I chose to live here simply because it was easier for my husband and it suited me.

If I had just said that I felt glad that 48% of the British people voting at least had shown intelligence and common sense - would you have slated me? I do not think so you. Your attitude is highly intolerant and bigoted.

I do not have to be quiet and make friends because I was not born here. I can say what I think just like others can. Should I tell my parents' neighbours, who are britishers settled abroad, to be especially nice to me because I was born where they are currently living?

I have at least one advantage over you; I have had the courage to move abroad once before, if need be I can do it again. I am happy to live anywhere to be honest. And my children will have one advantage against some of their peers which will be full access to the EU if they so wish. That I am quite sad about, for their friends' sake.

I am happy here in the UK and very happy I do not have to deal with such intolerance on a daily basis.