To point out that not ALL people who voted leave are racist

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I'd describe myself as extreme left. I voted leave because the EU's undemocratic. Today I wake up to ALL of my Facebook posting statuses about how they feel sick etc. all my friends are liberal, some of them would hate me if they knew. But if I was asked outright I'd probably be honest. I've made new friends recently who would definitely never speak to me again if they knew though. I feel like everyone who voted leave has been branded a racist. I feel uncomfortable that probably lots of them are sad I feel very uneasy being lumped in with them and might come to regret my decision

Posted this elsewhere but in need of some hand holding I think! Or maybe someone who feels the same way? Anyone?

The reality is on on many threads I and other leave voters have not only not condoned racism, we have condemned it.'

Good. My bone of contention is the Leave campaigns didn't do enough to promote tolerance & non-xenophobia.

latest thing on facebook today, "some of Leave have been racist but Remain have also with their wanting to fight islam, we all need to work together"

I mean wtaf

If you judge a group of voters by your Facebook News Feed and a few tabloid newspapers then you show similar ignorance to what the racists do. Myself and millions of other people are not on Facebook or Twitter, Social Media is not the general public's gospel opinion.
I very much doubt the neighbour that informed me that she no longer has to speak to me due to the vote, is on Facebook. The reality is that whether you are racist or not, your vote legitimised the racism. It's not a few tabloid newspapers, it's real, it's happening to me and to my children, my cousin's polish wife, the police have confirmed a 57% increase in racially motivated abuse since Thursday.

The reality is on on many threads I and other leave voters have not only not condoned racism, we have condemned it.'

Bully for you. You have still supported a 'movement' that has unleashed a wave of racism and suffering for many in our country.

Good for you- I seem to be on threads where peiple are denying there is any connection between brexit and the 57% rise in racist incidents since thurs (compared to last month)

I think the leave side's indignation against remain voters who are apparently being some unidentified form of 'nasty' (not putting fuck off signs through letterboxes or yelling abuse in the street though - nothing so tangible) is a calculated smokescreen to distract both sides from the real problem of racism against minorities that has been stirred up and unleashed by the Leave campaign.

Me too, Helmet. Glad to know that we were both just unlucky to end up on the few threads like that.

I saw the same Helmet, plus a fair number of posts blaming Remain for causing the incidents, and also others saying Remain supporters had made up the incidents.

Bully for you have still supported a 'movement' that has unleashed a wave of racism and suffering for many in our country

No. That's not true.

Are all football supporters hooligans? No. The same applies here.

Are all remainers wealthy bankers or people with huge corporations that make millions out of bring under the protection of the EU? No.

So please stop accusing leavers of 'unleashing' anything. 17 million voters are not racist. That argument is very lazy.

There is no 'movement' - just that people and the actually the majority, wanted to leave the EU. I'm not at all surprised to see that other countries were already waiting to see what the out come is and are now calling for a ref. for themselves. The Eu was not working. You can kid yourself that's it's all about racism but are you genuinly saying that the other countries that want out are all full of racists too?

It's the law of unintended consequences.

The football analogy is interesting. There are football fans, the vast majority- that are not hooligans at all. There are football fans that are hooligans.

And there are football fans that are in the middle. Not one thing or the other. Just a bit hooligany. And if the first lot don't make very definite statements about how the condemn hooliganism, and that it's completely unacceptable, the ones in the middle can easily drift and join the last group. Silence validates.

'Anything good in life is either illigal, immoral or fattening' - one of Murpheys laws

Ok bert so the vast majority are not, just like the vast majority of leavers are not hidden racists. - but a tiny proportion are.

Just like the vast majority of remainers are not wealthy bankers or huge corporations with vested interests in the EUnor corrupt politicians. - but a tiny proportion are.

Just like all regious people are not fundamentalists or terrorists. - but a tiny proportion are.

You got to stop labelling people. It's this talk that is dividing people.

Kimonono- I think you misunderstand me. The situation is much more complex than you seem to be saying.

And labeling racists as racists is absolutely essential.

No I don't misunderstand you but you purposely ignored my last post. But that's s bit of a habit of yours isn't if.

Go back and read my post again. I'm not repeating myself.

You tell me I should stop labeling people. I said I have labelled no one except racists.

And my point about football hooligans is very relevant to the discussion about leavers and racism, but you choose to ignore it.

Leavers do themselves a disservice if they refuse to accept that among their ranks there will be racists and xenophobes who feel validated by the vote. It is essential for their credibility that they do everything they can to distances themselves from such people. This is absolutely essential for the stability of our society in the days, weeks and months ahead.

I didn't ignore it though! I brought it up then referenced your point in it??! You are just so adamant not to hear other people's veiw it's distorting you.

Of course there will be unsavoury people who voted out, just like there will be unsavoury people who voted in - fit their own gains. Just like there will be unsavoury people in all kinds of faiths. But we don't go around labelling a whole group or say they have 'unleashed' the unsavoury lot. I am not to blame for ANY racist attacks. Accusing people of this is a massive hysterical over reaction. And bigoted too.

You need to get some persepective here and try not get whipped up by the social media frenzy and the BBC having mainly remainers crying into coffee for most of the weekend, They should no better. It's almost as if some remainders are revelling in any racist incident to cling on to the fact that they suspect all the leavers have a KKK outfit hung up in their wardrobe.

There are good and bad people in all sides but this snobbery from remainers like you are just making the issue worse.

kimono

Very disingenuous. I'm not going to explain the connection between the Leave campaign and surge in racist attacks (and suffering for people in Britain). UKIP's poster said it all.

No one said anything about everyone who voted Leave being racist. That's lazy.

I'm not at all surprised to see that other countries were already waiting to see what the out come is and are now calling for a ref. for themselves

Would that be Farage's chum Le Pen?

You got to stop labelling people. It's this talk that is dividing people. (sic)
I have said on many a thread, I am having to deal with the fallout from the leave campaign. That fall out is a factually recorded rise in racism. That is due to the fact that many in the leave campaign feel that the vote has legitimised their racist stance. Whilst there are obviously some leave voters who are not racist, perhaps they would have done better to think through the consequences of their actions fully, before deciding to hold hands with the likes of Nigel Farage and Nick Griffin.

Well said dawn

It is essential for (leavers') credibility that they do everything they can to distances themselves from (racists/xenophobes)

Silence validates

Memo to self: remember this next time the sky falls upon anyone who dares to suggest that a generally peaceful community should speak up against extremists in their midst ...

Strawman, Puzzled.

Continuing labelling of "leave" voters as racist, combined with the Pilot-esque handwashing of the disobedient masses by David Cameron will absolutely fuel racist fervour. If the dismissal of the majority of voters on this issue continues it can only further damage the UK and validate aggressive behaviour in some people.
I voted "leave"
I am not racist
I do not want eastern europeans to "go home"
I am middle class and degree educated
I am even a Guardian reader.

But the point is that if I were not middle class and well educated my vote would still count. And rightly so.
David Cameron thought that EU membership was fair game for a referendum. And then he buggers off rather than leads the country (that's the job he was actually sort of elected to do.)

Anyone watchinf Chanel 4 news on racist attacks? Fucking hell.

Cute little baby with her mum though.

Good post Hippie