To point out that not ALL people who voted leave are racist

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I'd describe myself as extreme left. I voted leave because the EU's undemocratic. Today I wake up to ALL of my Facebook posting statuses about how they feel sick etc. all my friends are liberal, some of them would hate me if they knew. But if I was asked outright I'd probably be honest. I've made new friends recently who would definitely never speak to me again if they knew though. I feel like everyone who voted leave has been branded a racist. I feel uncomfortable that probably lots of them are sad I feel very uneasy being lumped in with them and might come to regret my decision

Posted this elsewhere but in need of some hand holding I think! Or maybe someone who feels the same way? Anyone?

If you had asked the question a year ago should we be able to control how many people from he EU can come here to live the vast majority would have said yes

Now ask and many who voted remain will say no it's fine having free movement of people just need to plan better

I voted remain but do not agree the free movement of people is a good policy but we had our hands tied so has no choice as Cameron found out

Leaving is not stopping immigration it's (maybe and I think likely) putting in place limitations

No, don't worry, it's all been clarified now. Boris doesn't think people were worried about immigration. They were all worried about the the EU making laws. We are still going to have access to the single market and movement of people. I suspect when he realises that being part of the single market entails abiding by EU rules and regulations, we'll all realise that 'vote leave' was actually a positive vote for staying in the EU, it's just that people think the eurovision song contest is rigged.

Tbh OP, I'm less concerned about overly sensitive Leave voters who are upset that they're being called racist, and more concerned about people who've been the target of actual racism.

Well congratulations, you're far left and have voted on screwing over the working classes. A slight contradiction! There is nothing worse than people so blinded and guided by their ideology that they are unable to see beyond it and do what is actually right and best.

And, while you may not yourself be racist, you've also helped to unleash the racist dog, so give yourself a pat on the back for that.

And to the person who works with athletes - straw man much? Who cares if hooooodor doesn't know anything about athletics? Entirely irrelevant to this debate. And just because you work with black athletes, that doesn't automatically mean you're not a racist.

Why assume the athletes are black? Or in any way nor British?

Oh I agree - was just responding to the person who went on about working with 'black athletes' and how that means they're be racist.

*they're not racist

The thing is, black people just run faster. Because they have evolved to escape leopards. True fact.

And if you talk to black people you can't possibly be racist. Another true fact.

I am a remain voter but I can understand the legitimate reasons of the Leave voters. The most unfortunate thing is that because Leave used immigration as a huge part of their campaign then it can't help to be aligned with the racists and xenophobes. It has overtaken any informed debate that can take place and whilst I sympathise I think you need to recognise that this campaign was run by right wing Tories and that this was inevitable and totally predictable.

My grandpa was a fast runner. He said it was from running away from the Germans (joke he was sent to the really shitty theatres in ww2 and had hand to and combat).

Anyone who voted leave eave on the basis op f democracy is an idiot who hasn't done reasearch and knows nothing about parliament. We have a government LP was than half voted for because of the first past the post system. we have the house lords who are unelected. We have judges in courts making case law and setting legal precedents. We do not and never had real democracy.wish people would really was up first. As for the racist thing... I don't think they are all racist, many are afraid due to ignorance and reading the daily my mail...but if you are racist, it follows you would vote leave. So tightly it wrongly, non racist leave voters have jumped into the same boat as racists

Here is a single credible reason.

I am not a racist, in fact I have had black girl friends, gay relationships, multiple partner relationships. I have muslim friends, hindu friends, budhist friends. I myself am agnostic and spent two years living in Europe (Portugal) and travelling through it.

I did not vote to leave the european union on the basis of immigration or ANYTHING to do with it.

I vote to leave the European Union because it is undemocratic and it's run by people who for the last 150 years have spent every second of their energy to push and produce the european union in the way it is.

The EU is backed by the IMF and works closely with the World Bank. It's inhenrently corrupt and takes bribes on the most rediculous of levels to pass laws and legislation that allow CORPORATIONS to take control of your own countries laws, regulations and policy.

Did anyone ever stop to look at TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) which came DIRECTLY from the United States to Europe. The US economy has been slowly westernising the EU for the past 50 years. They have been fighting to push this legislation in for eternities. IF you bother to do even a little research, you see what this legislation does. Creating a police state and Corporate controlled laws and business practices that DIRECTLY undermine anything the EU stood for.

Leaving the EU stops TTIP. Leaving the EU fights coporations. Leaving the EU shows people like the IMF we are not afraid and we won't pay for the debts or mistakes bankers made for our system.

What the conservatives ever do in the last 5 years in a unified UK with the EU. They cut the social welfare bill by 20% killing millions of helpless and disabled people. They moved the biggest amount of PUBLIC money into PRIVATE pockets you've seen in nearly 100 years. They had the most corrupt MP's you've seen in at least 35 years. With David Camerons earnings coming into controvesial and serious questioning due to his fathers ethics.

The current UK has no faith, the people have lost interest and the people calling us racist for doing so are doing it out of a fear of change.

People are so quick to judge and generalise and entire collective of people.... a collective is a collection of INDIVIDUAL opinions, this does not mean the entire group is racist. SOME of it is racist, yet some of the opposition is probably racist too.

Your own god damn EU loving Prime Minster is a fight for the rich man give no shits about anyone else kind of character, yet you have the balls to call thought out and education opinions racist. Cowards. Go back to your facebook and troll forums. Think for yourselves.

Please read this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2671677-EU-Referendum-Racists-and-Xenophobes?

Leaving the EU stops TTIP.

The UK Is the major advocate of TTIP.

Good luck getting a different deal with America outside the EU.

(Although it's true, the EU may not accept TTIP with the UK out of the picture).

waronwant.org/what-ttip

Theirs your damn research. Staying the EU is a good thing eh? If you do that, the chances are this legislation gets passed. Then have fun with the europe you've created. This is worse than what Thatcher did to the miners and worse than whats already happening in Scunthorpe with the UK steel selloff.

It's done now we all have to live with what will come. I am in my seventies and voted Remain . My dh is in his eighties and voted Leave not for racist reasons but for Democracy. Well this is what democracy has brought us to ; and I know he is quite bewildered by what is happening. He is the most tolerant, least prejudiced person you can meet. He thought he was voting for our fishing industry and farmers now, like so many he regrets.
I will always love him but I wish he had felt able to look forward instead of back.

Fucking sick to death of this self indulgent whinging about their hurt feelings by brexiters who can't accept that their vote contributed to the unleashing of a climate in which racists and xenophobes feel validated in their attacks on and abuse of foreign born, or foreign looking, or just not white British enough, people. Excuse me for not prioritising your ego over the very real threat faced by people who are now facing the fact that a brexit vote means that racists and xenophobes feel that it's open season on those they dislike.

If you do that, the chances are this legislation gets passed.

Yes, because the UK are the main advocate of TTIP.

Leave the EU and we can have it all by ourselves as part of a wonderful US/UK bilateral trade deal.

From your link lion:

TTIP is not a traditional trade agreement designed to reduce border tariffs on exports. With tariffs between the EU and US already at minimal levels, the stated aim of TTIP is to remove regulations that act as ‘barriers’ to corporate profits.

Removing pesky regulations and opening up the UK to international trade - hmm now is that more a leavey or a remainy kind of argument...

And they have no fucking idea of how to avoid the recession that they have caused hitting us like a fucking tsunami. They assume that 'they' will sort it all out and it will be all jam today.

Who will be having to work their arses off to keep their jobs or their businesses afloat?

Taking back control, yeah right. No fucking idea.

I was like asking a 4 year old if they want broccoli or chocolate. My mum always said don't give children the option to choose something that you don't want them to choose. Does Cameron not have children? Did he really think that this could never happen?

To be honest I'm much more inclined to agree with this than the original.

Ahhhhh Tao of Pooh....

I considered TTIP as a reason to leave, researched it & realised we are as likely to sign it under a Tory Government outside EU as in, and under worse terms.

Ultimately I couldn't vote for something that would seriously disadvantage minority groups I'm not part of. In answer to the question would I choose a dictator if they weren't racist; some prices are not worth paying. If, as an extreme example I had to vote for Hitler or accept dictator Blair, I'd accept the dictatorship. If I can say I'd accept the mistreatment of other races for the 'right' cause then what does that say about me.

That said, what we need to mitigate the problems now is for the left wing leave voters to be out & proud. Because we need to challenge the idea that the majority in this country are racist. That perception is giving real racists a mandate, it's potentially going to inform the direction our two major parties go in and it's making people feel unwelcome. So leave voters who aren't racist and feel shit that their actions made racism more acceptable need to do something proactive. Maybe a petition with a million signatures asking for parliment to recognise the reasons a lot of people voted to leave - and not mentioning immigration. Maybe speaking up every chance you get. Accept that people are angry with you if they are personally affected - you decided it was worth it, so weather your share of the consequences.

And as angry remain voters I think we need to stop shouting at them & let them because the alternative is just letting the racists keep the leave platform.

Agreed. The EU institution can only vote on laws put forward by a group of unelected politicians. Brussels itself is a hotspot for corporate lobbyists, second only to Washington DC. The only way to make it more democratic would be federalise it, which has been the intention since a treaty signed in the 1950s, which our government was fully aware of when they took us in.
To suggest that people who voted leave are on the side of the racists, well I would say to remainers that the war criminal Tony Blair urged us all to remain. Would you agree that being in the company of war criminals is no better?
Right now, if you pay attention to what is happening, you will see that it is highly unlikely that the free movement of people will be affected which is good really seeing some how I'm a leftie, I previously lived in France, and have family across Europe. And a quick reminder. When we leave the EU, we will still be Europeans, living on the European continent. We are not declaring the uk an independent continent. If you have ever traveled, you will realise obtaining a visa is easy. In lots of instances you just fly to country you are traveling too, and pay a nominal fee on arrival for a stamp on your passport. Pretty easy really.
The supposed lovers of the EU are now showing themselves to be the true haters of democracy. Whether it's the keyboard warriors signing petitions undermining the democratic process, or the London elite and Scots threatening departure. And to suggest that we leavers cannot see the fault in our own system again shows the lack of reading around the subject remainers actually did. People are campaigning for proportional representation here in the UK, and to scrap the unelected House of Lords. To suggest that we should keep the EU because some of what it does is good, despite doing it undemocraticlly, is to hand over power to a benevolent dictatorship.

I'm racist and i voted remain.