A victory for ordinary people!

[Surferjet]

So happy.

[SinisterBumFacedCat]

This is why so many Leave voters I know don't actually work, they are independently wealthy or have no jobs to worry about. It's the Remain voters who will suffer, but hey they are all middle class so that won't matter. except for those taxes-

[Hodooooooooor]

Leaving is the right decision. I've no regrets. & now Scotland will go it will just be us & Wales ( with London in a world of their own

You've forgotten NI. If you want to be that isolationist do try and keep track of who is in your own country, for a start

Just England and Wales. What a superpower you will be. In your dreams....

[Hulababy]

More than 50% of the U.K. have voted to leave, that's democracy.

NO THEY DIDN'T!

51.something % of the public of the UK WHO VOTED chose to leave.
A third of the UK did not vote.
The %age of the actual UK population, (of voting age) who actually voted Leave is much lower.
And the %age of the actual UK population full stop (i.e. including those ineligible to vote such as under 18s, etc) who actually voted to leave is even lower. Ironically many of those are the generation it will affect most!

[LaBelleOtero]

This is why so many Leave voters I know don't actually work, they are independently wealthy or have no jobs to worry about. It's the Remain voters who will suffer, but hey they are all middle class so that won't matter. except for those taxes-

That's my personal experience too. Everyone who told me they were voting Leave is either comfortably retired, or very well off with mortgages paid off long ago. One of my friends lamented the fact that some of her soon maturing investments might suffer, but she 'mustn't be selfish'!

Whereas the people I know who have middling jobs, mortgages and young families, or are on benefits because of health issues, all seemed to be voting Remain, like me, because why rock the boat if you know you have no way to escape if the boat capsizes?

It's done now, and I have my fingers crossed that it won't be too bad. It does vex me that if the people in my life do suffer as a result of this it is likely to be the ones who didn't want it to happen.

[SukeyTakeItOffAgain]

I'm deeply ordinary. Wasn't a victory for me, or any of my equally ordinary friends and family.

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

37% of the electorate voted to leave apparently.

And yes, I do think many of them were driven by an element of xenophobia. How could they do otherwise, when you look at the daily Daily Mail brainwashing?

[blinkowl]

And the Daily Express. How can people not be influenced by this if this is their paper of choice?

[SpringingIntoAction]

What a mean-spirited gloomy thread. You're still buying the mainstream media propaganda they are still pumping out at you.

When are you going to learn that, as the UK is a net contributor to the EU,
the term EU funded actually means UK tax payers money given to the EU, which takes its cut before handing it to all these universities etc rebadged as EU miney.

The EU has no money - it manufactures nothing. it sells nothing. It exports nothing. It is a parasitic organisation feasting on the host of its 28 member countries.

Out of the EU we can spend that UK tax payers money on things the UK deems worthwhile, instead of handing millions to academics who churn put pro-EU propaganda.

[Clangersarepink]

I work hard, earn a reasonable income. I rarely use the NHS, pay directly for my dentist and optician, use very few services I don't pay for directly. My net contribution to the State is likely somewhat higher than what I get back in terms of direct service provision and State financial support. The State is a parasite, sucking up my money which I could spend on things I care about, instead of throwing it away on Trident and train company subsidies (which I never use).

So, should I leave the UK and go live on an island by myself and reject the State completely?

Tax, which is essentially what our EU membership payment was, is the price each of us pay to be allowed to take part in the creation of financial, social and cultural wealth . It's value can't be measured by adding up what we get back directly in terms of services or goods. It's value is also measured in terms of stability, security, a sense of cooperation, access to markets, protection of rights, cultural diversity and so on. But mostly the value of the State is that it allows me to make more money by being a part of it than I can make on my own. My overall financial gain hugely outweighs the tax I pay.

This is what we are losing by leaving the EU - we make more money from being in the EU than we pay to the EU. The same is true of immigration - we make more money from immigration than we have to pay to support those immigrants. All that stuff about needing the EU payments for ourselves for education, housing, the NHS... it's pure misdirection. All that stuff about needing to get rid of immigrants for the same reason is also misdirection. EU membership and immigration pay for themselves, and there's plenty of money left over to improve our own lives. The fact that successive UK governments have pissed that money away is not the EU's fault.

[SpringingIntoAction]

Clangersarepink

I find you post economically illiterate and just echoes the EU-funded propaganda that EU funded 'experts' have been churning out for years.

You appear to lead quite a comfortable lifestyle. Spare a thought for someone not as fortunate who is competing with an increased number of people for all those services you either don't presently need re are fortunate enough to be able to pay for. They can't.

[BertrandRussell]

for anyone who voted leave over immigration. Barely 24 hours and they Re backtracking already.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Argh, I feel Evan Davis' frustration!

Slithery underhand snakes.

[PanEuropeanPan]

Nasty little rat.

Am sure we've only just now seen the start of the snivellers, competing in the back-rowing Olympics.

[Surferjet]

< sigh >
No one believes for one moment that immigration will stop completely, that's not what we want!
But we'll now have more control over it, that's the key.
( although it's not immigrants who need to worry, it's the over 60's who the remain camp would happily chuck off a bridge )

[PanEuropeanPan]

It is possible of course that the Queen would refuse to sign the Royal Assent required. After a busy day queening, she takes her head scarf off, looks at the papers on her desk and mutters to herself "Don't be ridiculous!"

[Hodooooooooor]

HOW will you have more control over it? You really don't know, do you? It's just a soundbite.

What exactly will change re immigration?Do tell.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Some Brexiters already getting a bit upset....

[ssd]

"Leaving is the right decision. I've no regrets. & now Scotland will go it will just be us & Wales ( with London in a world of their own )
It's all good. & it's what the majority wanted"

little England has spoken.

[Just5minswithDacre]

HOW will you have more control over it? You really don't know, do you? It's just a soundbite.

If it's just a soundbite, why are so many people freaking out about the apparent end of freedom of movement?

[Just5minswithDacre]

HOW will you have more control over it? You really don't know, do you? It's just a soundbite.

If it's just a soundbite, why are so many people freaking out about the apparent end of freedom of movement?

[InShockReally]

Well it's simple - the U.K. will be such a poor train-wreck of a society that immigrants just won't want to come here. Done!

Seriously - no one knows how to reduce immigration or is seriously planning to do so.

On the contrary, when the shit hits the fan and a bunch of educated workers leave the country, as well as the poor ones who used to do all the shit work, we'll be on our knees wanting more people back in.

[Surferjet]

Likewise MitzyLeFrouf - I've got some 'remain' friends who now, after seeing that the world is still actually turning, are actually quite happy we voted out ( they just didn't have the balls to vote out themselves )
But of course, you only hear from the very vocal social media types at times like this, ( people who like the sound of their own voice quite frankly ) the rest of the country just quietly get on with it keeping their opinions to themselves.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Oh sure you do Surfer. We believe you.............

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Are you going to answer the question out to you by a pp 'HOW will you have more control over it? You really don't know, do you? It's just a soundbite.'?