A victory for ordinary people!

[Surferjet]

So happy.

- are you sure Sonic?

I know it's not on the same scale, but my DS was thinking about studying in an EU country in two years - that will probably be prohibitively expensive now.

But I don't suppose OP will have any sympathy as presumably choosing to study abroad isn't an 'ordinary' thing to do.

He knew before today as he got to sit through the meetings where the plans were made as to what would happen if it was an out vote. He had to write out the announcements.

It's a great day for the closet racists that's for sure.

I've just seen that Marine le Pen has allied herself with Farage et al. Does that not ring alarm bells for anyone?

I truly believe that it's self-interest and racism that's brought about a leave vote and I'm ashamed of that 52%, I really am. The "I'm all right Jack" attitude that's pervaded since the Thatcher era repulses me, and this is just the last straw.

But on a personal note, I've been called thick, stupid, told to fuck off, just because I exercised my legal right

Nope. It was because you were being a goady fucker.

I stayed up all night watching, I knew it would be close but had no idea that as a country such a monumentally stupid decision could be made. I'm devastated and still feel vaguely sick.

Leave/Brexit have sold my children's future down the swanney... And whoever said it's the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude had it spot on. Self-interest and small-minded was has won the day, hoofuckingrah

It's a great day for the closet racists that's for sure.

They might think so, but they are a minority and they will be very disappointed.

Mostly, it's a great day for democracy.

As regards Scotland and Northern Ireland. It will be interesting what the next decade or two brings.

I know the SNP supported remaining. However, Nicola Sturgeon did speak of the will of the majority of the people of Scotland wanting to stay in.

Northern Ireland also voted to remain, but Arlene Foster seemed to ignore reference to the will of the majority of voters in Northern Ireland to remain in the EU. I may have missed it if she did.

If the billions poured into NI every year (11billion, I think) dries up, what effect will that have in relation to peoples satisfaction and the way Britain is viewed. It does provide a good subsidy at the moment and keeps NI in the clover. Combined with demographics near parity and a rising majority of the younger population from traditional non-Unionist backgrounds. They are not necessarily nationalist, but things could change. The extra EU money will have gone.

You feel anything could happen, really.

All the teachers in the English language section in the EU schools will probably be Irish from now on. This section has a huge demand, over and above Ireland and the UK kids.

I wonder if all the Institutions and Agencies will be hiring people from the UK still or wait for Article 50 to be initiated.

If Westminster repeals a lot of legislation quickly, harmonisation could be an issue. So many questions.

The more I read, talk with others and think this morning, the more bereft of hope I feel. I really didn't think we could be ignorant and stupid as the vote showed we collectively are, so didn't think too much about the Leave consequence. But it's here now.
It's awful and it isn';t going to get better.

Johnson-Gove-Farage- and possibly Trump. What the fuck have we done?

No greater argument against democracy.

Johnson-Gove-Farage

The triumvirate of fucking doom.

I'm confused. By 'ordinary people' do you mean the workers whose rights have been protected by laws brought in only because of EU law (including women who have been able to defend their right to equal pay through the European courts when the UK has let them down), who live in areas where there are schemes to improve facilities which are paid for in part by the EU, who work for companies which trade mainly in the EU and now may leave, who will be treated in hospital by nurses from other EU countries (because we do not have enough skilled nurses here), whose children would until now have had more opportunities to work and study in other EU countries and who may well lose their homes or at not be able to buy a home as increasing interest rates mean that they cannot afford a mortgage?

Or do you mean the people who have been persuaded that the poor housing, high house prices, unemployment etc are the fault of EU immigrants/EU law??

That was the problem ThisPanCanCan - people underestimated the 'thickos' & didn't really expect this to happen. Keith Vaz was practically crying on TV this morning saying something like 'never in a 1000 years did I expect this'
The peasants have revolted. We could all regret it in 5 years time ( unlikely ) but at least we were brave enough to give it a go.

I just wish somebody would tell me why?.

Even if you are unhappy with aspects of the EU, why would you vote for years of political, social and economic turmoil?

What single clear benefit do the leave people see, and when do they think it will happen?

A privately educated banker is so very ordinary...

And why are British people so proud of being 'ordinary' and obsessed with celebrating a lack of education and achievement?

Because it means you're ever so trustworthy and 'umble. Just like Nigel.

And "expert" is an insult..........

I'm regretting in now thanks Surfer.

"give it a go"? When you see a bit lump of shit in the road you avoid it. You don't step in it, to show you "gave it a go".

Haha.
You know what?
Maybe things will improve for everyone? - let's be optimistic.

I'm confused. By 'ordinary people' do you mean the workers whose rights have been protected by laws brought in only because of EU law (including women who have been able to defend their right to equal pay through the European courts when the UK has let them down), who live in areas where there are schemes to improve facilities which are paid for in part by the EU, who work for companies which trade mainly in the EU and now may leave, who will be treated in hospital by nurses from other EU countries (because we do not have enough skilled nurses here), whose children would until now have had more opportunities to work and study in other EU countries and who may well lose their homes or at not be able to buy a home as increasing interest rates mean that they cannot afford a mortgage?

This - with a crap economy and remain hardcore tories at the reigns - are expecting austerity on steroids. The only positive way for remain for me would be to massively increase taxes.

I'm an ordinary person.

This is no victory for me, my family, my children and my friends who work very hard and struggle to live.

UK RIP

Give it a go!?

This isn't something that if it doesn't work out, we can just pop back in!

I'm an ordinary person. My shares, I worked hard to save and invest in have plunged 33% overnight. My pensions plunged. My children's shares have plunged. Every person in my family have had their shares and pensions drop. I went and got currency for my holiday and the exchange rates dropped more than 6% and it's the lowest it's been in the thirty years iv been alive. Iv just left my dad who is retired and he is talking about going and getting a job if his shares don't go up. That's his life's savings for retirement had a massive percentage cut and if they don't go back up he won't now have enough to last. He can't rely on the state pension cause who knows what will happen with it.

My husbands just had jobs cancelled as he is in the building trade and they are putting on the breaks with housebuilding.

My cousin who's a scientific researcher funded by the EU has already lot her job this morning. A friend has been told there will certainly be job losses but they will do what they can. They have both said if possible they will move to wherever the jobs go within the EU. So job losses and the loss of educated people.

Yes, what a fucking victory for ordinary people.

Oh and Nigel Farage on Good Mothing Britain this morning massively back peddling saying he made a mistake about the extra money the NHS will get. Ha. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Maybe things will improve for everyone? Yeah, because life under Tory rule the last few years has just been getting better and better, right? And without the EU that gave you all the lovely rights like maternity leave and equal pay and much more, things will be SO much better for the majority?

As fucking if.

Wtf do you think is an ordinary person. I'm quite ordinary I think but it's not a victory for me. More a victory for privileged, public school boys who will continue to peddle lies